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Battle of Vukovar
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 11:58 am
Damn, did a little research and this is one stupid conspiracy theory. This is a battle that involved thousands of people and destroyed a whole city, all less than 30 years ago.

What evidence are you looking for exactly? Like, what do you need to be shown to prove it's real?
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(July 2, 2018 at 8:05 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(July 1, 2018 at 4:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Can you imagine that face?

Trying not to.

And you are most wise to do so. I married one so, it is scary.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 1:01 pm
(July 3, 2018 at 11:28 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
Quote:Sure, I was there.  There;s your reference, lol.   You can research the NATO response without my help. For data on how many tons of uo have so far been recovered , estimates for how much remians, the cost to clear it, and the projected timetable, try the mine action centers of serbia and croatia.
Do you have an explanation how I don't know that? I've studied quite a bit of Croatian history, and me not knowing something like that would require an explanation.

You would be better positioned than I to answer that question, don;t you think?
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 2:10 pm
I’m looking forward to the upcoming battle of Washington.

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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 2:22 pm
(June 27, 2018 at 11:18 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: So, what do you guys think, is it reasonable to believe that the Battle of Vukovar (in 1991) actually happened? I am a Croatian 18-year-old from Donji Miholjac (not very far from Vukovar), and I can't help but wonder how it's possible that it left so little evidence (at least as far as I am aware), when more than three thousand people were supposedly killed there.

I have studied quite a bit of Croatian history. I had to do that not only for school, but also for my interpretation of the Croatian toponyms:
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If there is evidence to justify such an extraordinary claim of Vukovar being burned to the ground and rebuilt again completely in, well, a decade, how it is that I don't know anything about that evidence?

As an atheist, how will I justify my disbelief in the Jesus's resurrection if I believe that the Battle of Vukovar happened? One of the reasons other atheists usually give for their disbelief in Jesus's resurrection is that our understanding of history has to be in line with our understanding of how the universe works. However, the Battle of Vukovar is also not in line with my understanding of how the universe works, because I have won the school physics competition two years in a row and I still have no bright idea how the bombs might work.

I know at least one person who was there around that time, I suppose I could ask them. 



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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 10:10 am
(July 3, 2018 at 11:58 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Damn, did a little research and this is one stupid conspiracy theory. This is a battle that involved thousands of people and destroyed a whole city, all less than 30 years ago.

What evidence are you looking for exactly? Like, what do you need to be shown to prove it's real?

Why would saying that Vukuvar never happened be a conspiracy theory? Why wouldn't saying Vukovar did happen be called a conspiracy theory? The massacre of Vukovar having happened would require a large number of people colluding in a giant plot to do that. Why would they do that? How would they do that? I don't see it. Show me some reasonable explanation.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 1:47 pm
Here is a UK documentary on the battle that has explanations to the build up, troop disposition and footage of the fighting and atrocities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvaEWnZXiYM



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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 3:08 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 10:10 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 3, 2018 at 11:58 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Damn, did a little research and this is one stupid conspiracy theory. This is a battle that involved thousands of people and destroyed a whole city, all less than 30 years ago.

What evidence are you looking for exactly? Like, what do you need to be shown to prove it's real?

Why would saying that Vukuvar never happened be a conspiracy theory? Why wouldn't saying Vukovar did happen be called a conspiracy theory? The massacre of Vukovar having happened would require a large number of people colluding in a giant plot to do that. Why would they do that? How would they do that? I don't see it. Show me some reasonable explanation.

Saying the battle did not happen requires explaining the presence of a common belief that it did happen, the most likely explanation being a conspiracy of people fostering the impression that it did happen. Saying the battle did occur explains away the presence of a large number of people believing it did happen by explaining that it did in fact happen, not by positing a conspiracy of people working to make the belief that it happened occur.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 9:39 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 10:10 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Why would they do that? How would they do that? I don't see it. Show me some reasonable explanation.
 IDK whether or not this hits your bar for reasonable....but the why, was in service to ethnic cleansing.  The how is the usual how.  Shit that goes boom, and a pogrom.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 5, 2018 at 5:53 am
Quote:Saying the battle did not happen requires explaining the presence of a common belief that it did happen, the most likely explanation being a conspiracy of people fostering the impression that it did happen.
And what is the simplest explanation for the common belief that Jesus rose from the dead? Is it also a massive conspiracy? Or is it that some stories get popular among ignorant people? If it is that some stories get popular among ignorant people, why would it be different for the Battle of Vukovar?
Quote:but the why, was in service to ethnic cleansing.
What is "ethnic cleansing"?

By the way, does anyone have an idea what the name "Vukovar" means? I have been thinking about that for quite a while, I think that it means "the city of moisture", that "Vuk-" comes from the zeroth grade of the Indo-European root *welk (moisture). The syllabic 'l' regularly turned to 'u' in Old Croatian (compare, for example, late Old Church Slavonic "слньце" and modern Croatian "sunce").
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