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Battle of Vukovar
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 11:58 am
Damn, did a little research and this is one stupid conspiracy theory. This is a battle that involved thousands of people and destroyed a whole city, all less than 30 years ago.

What evidence are you looking for exactly? Like, what do you need to be shown to prove it's real?
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(July 2, 2018 at 8:05 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(July 1, 2018 at 4:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Can you imagine that face?

Trying not to.

And you are most wise to do so. I married one so, it is scary.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 1:01 pm
(July 3, 2018 at 11:28 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
Quote:Sure, I was there.  There;s your reference, lol.   You can research the NATO response without my help. For data on how many tons of uo have so far been recovered , estimates for how much remians, the cost to clear it, and the projected timetable, try the mine action centers of serbia and croatia.
Do you have an explanation how I don't know that? I've studied quite a bit of Croatian history, and me not knowing something like that would require an explanation.

You would be better positioned than I to answer that question, don;t you think?
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 2:10 pm
I’m looking forward to the upcoming battle of Washington.

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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 3, 2018 at 2:22 pm



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 10:10 am
(July 3, 2018 at 11:58 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Damn, did a little research and this is one stupid conspiracy theory. This is a battle that involved thousands of people and destroyed a whole city, all less than 30 years ago.

What evidence are you looking for exactly? Like, what do you need to be shown to prove it's real?

Why would saying that Vukuvar never happened be a conspiracy theory? Why wouldn't saying Vukovar did happen be called a conspiracy theory? The massacre of Vukovar having happened would require a large number of people colluding in a giant plot to do that. Why would they do that? How would they do that? I don't see it. Show me some reasonable explanation.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 1:47 pm



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 3:08 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 10:10 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 3, 2018 at 11:58 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Damn, did a little research and this is one stupid conspiracy theory. This is a battle that involved thousands of people and destroyed a whole city, all less than 30 years ago.

What evidence are you looking for exactly? Like, what do you need to be shown to prove it's real?

Why would saying that Vukuvar never happened be a conspiracy theory? Why wouldn't saying Vukovar did happen be called a conspiracy theory? The massacre of Vukovar having happened would require a large number of people colluding in a giant plot to do that. Why would they do that? How would they do that? I don't see it. Show me some reasonable explanation.

Saying the battle did not happen requires explaining the presence of a common belief that it did happen, the most likely explanation being a conspiracy of people fostering the impression that it did happen. Saying the battle did occur explains away the presence of a large number of people believing it did happen by explaining that it did in fact happen, not by positing a conspiracy of people working to make the belief that it happened occur.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 4, 2018 at 9:39 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 10:10 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Why would they do that? How would they do that? I don't see it. Show me some reasonable explanation.
 IDK whether or not this hits your bar for reasonable....but the why, was in service to ethnic cleansing.  The how is the usual how.  Shit that goes boom, and a pogrom.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
July 5, 2018 at 5:53 am
Quote:Saying the battle did not happen requires explaining the presence of a common belief that it did happen, the most likely explanation being a conspiracy of people fostering the impression that it did happen.
And what is the simplest explanation for the common belief that Jesus rose from the dead? Is it also a massive conspiracy? Or is it that some stories get popular among ignorant people? If it is that some stories get popular among ignorant people, why would it be different for the Battle of Vukovar?
Quote:but the why, was in service to ethnic cleansing.
What is "ethnic cleansing"?

By the way, does anyone have an idea what the name "Vukovar" means? I have been thinking about that for quite a while, I think that it means "the city of moisture", that "Vuk-" comes from the zeroth grade of the Indo-European root *welk (moisture). The syllabic 'l' regularly turned to 'u' in Old Croatian (compare, for example, late Old Church Slavonic "слньце" and modern Croatian "sunce").
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