I had heard a story recently on the BreakPoint podcast, that is somewhat related. 

The story was about a  couple who had twins born prematurely in Oregon.  This couple where of a Pentacostal group, which does not believe in going to the doctor.  They also reported, that Oregon laws on abortion, allow for the baby to be aborted up until the time of birth.  These twins where born prematurely; I believe they said that they where not quite 4 pounds.  With the premature birth, the babies required medical attention, and because of the parents beliefs, they did not get it, and one of the babies died within about 2 hours after birth.  

The state is bringing the parents up on charges of neglect.  This was a part of the story, with which the commentators at break point agreed with. It concerns the rights of the parents to raise the child as they see fit, with the right of the child to life.  That between the two, the childs right to life, takes precedence.  I go back and forth on this issue , but I do think there is a point where neglect is the reason for the loss, and the rights of the child, overrule the rights of the parents.

However the other part of this story, is that this couple could have went to a doctor just 2 hours prior, and legally killed these same babies (under Oregon law).  They pointed to the inconsistency of the laws in Oregon, and what was essentially the same human being.

(August 1, 2018 at 2:48 am)Luckie Wrote:

(August 1, 2018 at 2:17 am)Tiberius Wrote: I think most pro-choice people don't support abortion after a certain stage of the pregnancy.

All this article seems to do is attack the extremes (note that the author also attacks the religious right, who usually oppose abortion). I highly doubt many pro-choice people support after-birth abortion.

You know, I'd normally agree. But lately I have had to do a double take. Did you know that aside from Saudi Arabia and Iran, the United States is the only other country where there are states with no set minimum age at which a child can be married? Even my own state of Colorado is one with zero minimum age requirements. 

I’m not sure what that has to do with abortion?

Quote:But “after-birth abortion” is a term invented by two philosophers

They would have done more but then the timer went off telling them that french fries had to be taken out of the oil and salted.

I would think for some people, any day from June 14 1946 to now would have been an exemplary day to obtain a post-birth abortion.

All this is nothing new...



Peter Singer, a bioethicist, advocated for infanticide. The Guardian At least he is honest about the logical conclusions of the pro-choice position. Any argument in favor of abortion can be used to justify infanticide or euthanasia in general.

(August 1, 2018 at 12:53 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: All this is nothing new...



Peter Singer, a bioethicist, advocated for infanticide. The Guardian At least he is honest about the logical conclusions of the pro-choice position. Any argument in favor of abortion can be used to justify infanticide or euthanasia in general.

The arguments for oppressing womens right to choose do not really hold water when you look at what happens when they can't.

They still try to abort the fetus, just in really unsafe ways.

Have a look at the history, I'll wait while you bring yourself up to speed.

Those two shits are xhristards.  They have no problem oppressing women.  Their fucking god said its okay.

I doubt anyone is seriously arguing for laws to be changed in favor of this. It's just some academics arguing a point. It has little bearing on anyone.

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(August 1, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Those two shits are xhristards.  They have no problem oppressing women.  Their fucking god said its okay.

LOL he is a right winger. Doesn't surprise me. A lot of right wingers are kings of the strawman. He just has to find a way to bring Venezuela into it while ignoring a shit ton of other countries.

Quote:All this is nothing new...



Peter Singer, a bioethicist, advocated for infanticide. The Guardian At least he is honest about the logical conclusions of the pro-choice position. Any argument in favor of abortion can be used to justify infanticide or euthanasia in general.

Holy hell that is stupid 

I can't imagine why there would be any controversy about the practice !!



Exodus 12 (KJV)
29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Leviticus 26 (KJV)
22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

Leviticus 26 (KJV)
29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat

Deuteronomy 28 (KJV)
53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

Deuteronomy 2 (KJV)
33 And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Joshua 6 (KJV)
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.


Joshua 7 (KJV)
24 And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the Lord shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.

Isaiah 13 (KJV)
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.