I'm not real sure of my facts here, but didn't the U.S. just effectively provide subsidies to U.S. businesses and corporations via a tax cut? If so, your complaint about Canada's trade practices seems a little hypocritical.

And let's not even get started on our decades-long agriculture subsidies. It's not a coincidence that every damn thing in the supermarket contains sweetened corn syrup.

(August 9, 2018 at 10:16 am)Whateverist Wrote: Well of course it isn't deplorable at all inside your tribal nation.

Is Canada tribal for subsidizing certain businesses?

Quote:But in the wider world community it is simply narrow, short sighted and mutually destructive.

And yet the media don't seem to be criticizing Canada for the subsidies.

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(August 9, 2018 at 10:20 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about the well being of what remains of our print news industry (especially at the local and regional levels) than I am with U.S. paper manufacturers. The increased costs will squeeze papers even more than they already are.

They're squeezed because no one wants them anymore. People get their news in other ways.

Little kid to parent: But he did it first.

Fits the infantilized relationship to God so many fundies long for.

(August 9, 2018 at 10:43 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm not real sure of my facts here, but didn't the U.S. just effectively provide subsidies to U.S. businesses and corporations via a tax cut?  If so, your complaint about Canada's trade practices seems a little hypocritical.

The US corporate rate is still higher than the effective Canadian rate.

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(August 9, 2018 at 10:54 am)Whateverist Wrote: Little kid to parent:  But he did it first.

Fits the infantilized relationship to God so many fundies long for.

Canada engages in unfair trade practices, but that's OK, because they did it first.

US tries to make things fair. That's wrong because But he did it first.

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(August 9, 2018 at 10:50 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: And let's not even get started on our decades-long agriculture subsidies. It's not a coincidence that every damn thing in the supermarket contains sweetened corn syrup.

Why not get started on it. Maybe it should be looked at.

It will take time to see if Trump's ideas work. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. At least he's trying.

You know that Congress gave away its rights regarding tariffs to the executive branch, and they could take them back if they wanted. No one in Washington actually wants to do any work though, except working to get re-elected.

(August 9, 2018 at 10:52 am)alpha male Wrote:

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(August 9, 2018 at 10:20 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about the well being of what remains of our print news industry (especially at the local and regional levels) than I am with U.S. paper manufacturers. The increased costs will squeeze papers even more than they already are.

They're squeezed because no one wants them anymore. People get their news in other ways.

That's true to some extent. The question, for me, is what is the quality of news people are receiving 'in other ways'? We've repeatedly seen how childishly simple it is to manipulate opinion online, and we have way too many people who don't seem able to distinguish between solid, reputable reporting and whatever things get passed around on social media platforms. How much local news do you really consume in other ways? The local TV news broadcasts? Those are superficial, at best, and everyone knows it. Besides, network news is under the same pressures as print. 

Standing up for local and regional print journalism is a (probably Quixotic) stand in favor of a fact-based public discussion. Otherwise, all we're left with are a welter of amateur Op-Ed pieces that people can access 'in other ways'.

I rest my case.

So convince people to buy newspapers, and they'll stick around. 

Maybe you can bring back the horse-drawn carriage business while you're at it.

Quote:People get their news in other ways.

People like A/M can't handle long investigative reports.  When you have the attention span of a six year old a ten second sound bite is about all he can manage....just like his hero the Orange Fucktard.

(August 9, 2018 at 11:10 am)Whateverist Wrote: I rest my case.

Good idea, seeing as your case is basically Other countries can use tariffs and subsidies, but the US can't, because Trump.