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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 12:51 am
Addendum:
Actions have consequences. And in most likelyhood you will already know the consequences of those actions before you carry them out.
So, by going out and performing those actions you are accepting thise consequences.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 12:58 am
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(August 16, 2018 at 12:43 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (August 15, 2018 at 11:16 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. I am a advocate civilized treatment of prisoners and for a just and good society i don't consider that a hang up and please air mark "rehabilitation" it works i have done it . And while it's true Re-offense happens it's also true that at least in America little effort is put in in trying .
2.I'm not saying what they did is okay it just does not warrant inhumane treatment and i think pyschological torture is a bit more then feeling hard done by .
3.Thousands of charities would say otherwise
4. Good
5. And not killing a person or psychologically torturing them dies them these rights ?
1. The re-offending rate in released offenders does not justify the threat of letting dangerous offenders loose to repeat their barbarous acts. While there is some success -kudos to you - seriius offenders shouldn't be allowed out.
2. I'm not justifying physical or psychological abuse or torture. But I don't see locking up a prisoner, especially a violent repeat offender, as torture. Of course the prisoner might disagree but we see them playing the victim game all too often. An example is the piece of shit neo nazi who murdered so many kids in Norway. A few years ago he complained of inhumane treatment because the authorities wouldn't provide him with an xbox.
3. Yes thousands of charities and the millions who support them would disagree. But the tens of millions who voted for the likes of Trump wouldn't.
4. Good part 2.
5. Again, who said the victims or their families would get to torture anyone? And I don't see prison sentence as torture. In fact many prisoners in the West get better access to food and medical treatment than the average citizen. Such a shame they're inconvenienced by being jailed for their crimes...
Hypothetical: Eight year old Tina is walking to school one morning and is attacked by one or more dogs. She suffers horrible wounds and eventually dies of the wounds.
Should the dogs be put to sleep or smacked on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and told not to do it again?
I hope your answer would be the former.
Now, replace the dogs in the scenario with humans. They kidnap, rape and torture Tina before killing her.
Should they be treated any differently than the dogs?
Why? 1.And the possibility of re offense is not enough to condemn someone to death or torture who might be saved .
2.Accept it fits definition of torture and one extreme case does not justify that torture
3. And people who voted for Trump are not even a majority of the populous
5. Access to food and water does not make something not torture. That's the same logic trumps defenders use to excuse his child prisons .Imprisonment for life is cruel and inhumane .
Your analogy does not work
1. A dog cannot be held responsible for it's action.
2.No i don't believe i dog should be killed for an attack it's unfair to hold a dog responsible.
3. I never compare a dog to human for an attack .The same way i would not treat a human who broke their leg the same as horse
Why life in prison without parole is the definition of cruel and inhuman treatment
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 1:16 am
(August 15, 2018 at 5:09 pm)SaStrike Wrote: (August 14, 2018 at 9:28 am)Cyberman Wrote: The death penalty: teaching people a lesson they'll never remember.
Nice one.
But it could be a lesson for would be offenders.
So you would kill one person as a lesson to others?
Would you have their head on a pike too?
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 1:21 am
Time in prison doesn't necessarily stop their murderous ways; guards, other prisoners, and people outside of prison could be at risk if they still have sufficient authority to direct their murder or escape from prison. Additionally, after they serve their time, some murder again; Mr. Moore won't be murdering anybody anytime soon which makes sense.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 1:33 am
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(August 16, 2018 at 12:51 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Addendum:
Actions have consequences. And in most likelyhood you will already know the consequences of those actions before you carry them out.
So, by going out and performing those actions you are accepting thise consequences.
Well.. I know that if I get busted with a bag of dro the state will try to take my kids. That I still smoke dro doesn't mean that I accept those consequences..or..for that matter, that those consequences are even close to just.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 1:57 am
(August 16, 2018 at 1:16 am)Cyberman Wrote: (August 15, 2018 at 5:09 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Nice one.
But it could be a lesson for would be offenders.
So you would kill one person as a lesson to others?
Would you have their head on a pike too?
I'm actually against the death penalty. Was just looking at the bright side.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 2:03 am
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Quote:Time in prison doesn't necessarily stop their murderous ways
But it can
Quote: guards, other prisoners, and people outside of prison could be at risk if they still have sufficient authority to direct their murder or escape from prison.
Prison escapes are rare
Quote: Additionally, after they serve their time, some murder again;
A possibility they may murder again does not justify murdering them .And some don't so why should they die ?
Quote: Mr. Moore won't be murdering anybody anytime soon which makes sense.
And he has no chance to be redeemed either and victims remain dead .So nothing of any merit was accomplished .
Quote:Addendum:
Actions have consequences. And in most likelyhood you will already know the consequences of those actions before you carry them out.
So, by going out and performing those actions you are accepting thise consequences.
consequences don't equal death or torture .
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 2:49 am
(August 16, 2018 at 1:57 am)SaStrike Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 1:16 am)Cyberman Wrote: So you would kill one person as a lesson to others?
Would you have their head on a pike too?
I'm actually against the death penalty. Was just looking at the bright side.
I just wanted to make it look like I was paying attention. 
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 2:53 am
Quote:Atheist Credo: An universe by chance which also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
This is just stupid and a straw man
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 2:58 am
Atheist credo: I withhold belief in god claims until there is evidence sufficient to warrant same.
How difficult was that?
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