Quote:Is there anyone who will fucking answer the question clearly and without caveat!!! Is it or is it not delusional to be a Platonist and/or believe in intellectual objects such as 'The Good'? YES or NO?

We answered your stupid question you just don't like the answer and we more then clear and caveats in no way obscure the clarity .

(August 31, 2018 at 10:01 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: When is a Religious Belief Delusional?

All the time.

(September 5, 2018 at 9:40 am)Khemikal Wrote: You were wrong.  It arose out of enlightenment fascination with earlier pagan philosophies.  These infected your own religion at various points..as well..just as secularism has shaped your christianity.

Indeed if Christianity  had never existed the impact to the world let alone western civilization would be null Christianity is a parasite that steals it does not build .

(September 5, 2018 at 9:29 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Is there anyone who will fucking answer the question clearly and without caveat!!! Is it or is it not delusional to be a Platonist and/or believe in intellectual objects such as 'The Good'? YES or NO?

Translation: Is there anyone who will willingly activate my trap card exactly as I wish them to? C’mon guys, it’s a good one!

(September 5, 2018 at 9:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(September 5, 2018 at 3:42 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: I guess it is fascinating to see how much some people ignore history and reality in general - but hey it comes in a package of being deluded by Christianity...

The two documents the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States--contain not a single word about Christianity, Christian principles, the Bible or Jesus Christ because Thomas Jefferson,...Not a word!

Learn to read what people write and not what you think they wrote.

I did not say anything about the Declaration of Independence explicitly identifying the United States as a Christian nation. I said that in Western civilization belief that in human equality arose out of a Judeo-Christian culture and intellectual tradition. That is indisputable.

So you are all good with slavery, misogyny, rape, genocide, incest, random killing and lying all as mandated by the Judeo-Christian culture, religion and deity. That seems like a good thing to you, right?

Quote:Learn to read what people write and not what you think they wrote. 

I did not say anything about the Declaration of Independence explicitly identifying the United States as a Christian nation. I said that in Western civilization belief that in human equality arose out of a Judeo-Christian culture and intellectual tradition. That is indisputable.

Bullshit western civilization is pagan in foundation . America is not a Christian nation in any way even if the majority of it's are are Christians .

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(September 5, 2018 at 10:09 am)Bob Kelso Wrote:

(September 5, 2018 at 9:29 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Is there anyone who will fucking answer the question clearly and without caveat!!! Is it or is it not delusional to be a Platonist and/or believe in intellectual objects such as 'The Good'? YES or NO?

Translation: Is there anyone who will willingly activate my trap card exactly as I wish them to? C’mon guys, it’s a good one!

I'll grant you it's good

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(September 5, 2018 at 10:13 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(September 5, 2018 at 9:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Learn to read what people write and not what you think they wrote.

I did not say anything about the Declaration of Independence explicitly identifying the United States as a Christian nation. I said that in Western civilization belief that in human equality arose out of a Judeo-Christian culture and intellectual tradition. That is indisputable.

So you are all good with slavery, misogyny, rape, genocide, incest, random killing and lying all as mandated by the Judeo-Christian culture, religion and deity. That seems like a good thing to you, right?

Christianity has more in common with an Orwellian dystopia then the enlightenment

(September 5, 2018 at 10:01 am)Kit Wrote:

(August 31, 2018 at 10:01 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: When is a Religious Belief Delusional?

All the time.  

Since you, an others, consider me delusional why don't you put me on your ignore list? Why would you want to have a discussion with someone you consider delusional? Why should I continue to discuss theism with someone who considers me delusional?

(September 5, 2018 at 10:47 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Since you, an others, consider me delusional why don't you put me on your ignore list? Why would you want to have a discussion with someone you consider delusional? Why should I continue to discuss theism with someone who considers me delusional?

Because it seems to be what you want, I will not do it.

Quote:Learn to read what people write and not what you think they wrote. 

I did not say anything about the Declaration of Independence explicitly identifying the United States as a Christian nation. I said that in Western civilization belief that in human equality arose out of a Judeo-Christian culture and intellectual tradition. That is indisputable.

Except that's total nonsense. When did Christians ever threat other people as equals? In most of Christian denominations women still can't be clergy because they are considered inferior. Not to mention persecution of Jews trough the centuries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

In fact because Jews were persecuted by Christians into New World it created this aspiration to create place where people are not persecuted because of their religion.

Also there is this word "egalitarianism" that conservative Christians throw around, especially those enamored with Ayn Rand, like it's this "idiotic idea where everybody is equal when that is impossible".

(September 5, 2018 at 10:50 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

Quote:Learn to read what people write and not what you think they wrote. 

I did not say anything about the Declaration of Independence explicitly identifying the United States as a Christian nation. I said that in Western civilization belief that in human equality arose out of a Judeo-Christian culture and intellectual tradition. That is indisputable.

Except that's total nonsense. When did Christians ever threat other people as equals? In most of Christian denominations women still can't be clergy because they are considered inferior. Not to mention persecution of Jews trough the centuries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

In fact because Jews were persecuted by Christians into New World it created this aspiration to create place where people are not persecuted because of their religion.

Also there is this word "egalitarianism" that conservative Christians throw around, especially those enamored with Ayn Rand, like it's this "idiotic idea where everybody is equal when that is impossible".

Not to mention they sure as hell didn't believe in class equality or legal equality.

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Quote:Since you, an others, consider me delusional why don't you put me on your ignore list? Why would you want to have a discussion with someone you consider delusional? Why should I continue to discuss theism with someone who considers me delusional?

As an object lesson to others