Mystic, your original post is a giant wall of fairy tales.

"Love" is not a mythological being concocted in antiquity.

Love is when mom doesn't quite make the toilet and falls over and you have to pull her up. Love is when she soils herself and needs help changing.

God is your "love" of a fictional super hero, not a real being. I love my late mom, not because she was all powerful, but because she was real.

Stop trying to chase fictional utopias. My mom was imperfect and finite, but I'd take her reality over your fantasy any day of the week.

Try to understand Brian from my perspective if God is not real then what we deem real when we love another human being is illusionary as well. Furthermore, we leave so many foundations of love in this respect that it leaves us with little to not any reason to hold on to what is left of it.

(September 23, 2018 at 4:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Try to understand Brian from my perspective if God is not real then what we deem real when we love another human being is illusionary as well.  Furthermore, we leave so many foundations of love in this respect that it leaves us with little to not any reason to hold on to what is left of it.

What you uttered here, frightens any person able of reason.

(September 23, 2018 at 4:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Try to understand Brian from my perspective if God is not real then what we deem real when we love another human being is illusionary as well.  Furthermore, we leave so many foundations of love in this respect that it leaves us with little to not any reason to hold on to what is left of it.

Unless and until you can demonstrate some extra component that would be missing, what we feel when we experience love is the same whether a god exists or not.  In some respects I would say that love without a god involved is better since you don't have some supernatural force controlling your thoughts; the love is honest and not a sham.

It frightens me as well but I can’t run away from facts because of being scared of them.

(September 23, 2018 at 4:55 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(September 23, 2018 at 4:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Try to understand Brian from my perspective if God is not real then what we deem real when we love another human being is illusionary as well.  Furthermore, we leave so many foundations of love in this respect that it leaves us with little to not any reason to hold on to what is left of it.

What you uttered here, frightens any person able of reason.

I would say it was more sad than frightening.

(September 23, 2018 at 4:57 pm)unfogged Wrote:

(September 23, 2018 at 4:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Try to understand Brian from my perspective if God is not real then what we deem real when we love another human being is illusionary as well.  Furthermore, we leave so many foundations of love in this respect that it leaves us with little to not any reason to hold on to what is left of it.

Unless and until you can demonstrate some extra component that would be missing, what we feel when we experience love is the same whether a god exists or not.  In some respects I would say that love without a god involved is better since you don't have some supernatural force controlling your thoughts; the love is honest and not a sham.

The difference is reasoning demonstrates this to me as far as my analysis of love but it probably won’t convince you. From my perspective it’s not due to the reasoning not proving it or being unclear but rather some can’t face the sight of God and his judgment while others no matter how scary embrace it. Only those who fear and embrace fear in the journey will have courage to face the consequences of their actions and strive to be guided to God’s pathways who as his holy names and instances of his light giving face. True Angels were scary at first for Abraham to embrace and they always seem scary and it’s same with the guides and his holy books but the compassion and beauty becomes clear and justice seen as beautiful when we have courage to embrace God’s judgment even though the guilt can be overwhelming. However at the same time some unseen beings point to realms of no judgment and where only beauTy is appreciated and the ugliness and darkness is ignored. Who are the true good guys in unseen realms maybe just as hard to perceive as it is the good people in this world. The true way to heighten and measure by is God’s word brought to life but there is more then one claim to it.

(September 23, 2018 at 4:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Try to understand Brian from my perspective if God is not real then what we deem real when we love another human being is illusionary as well.  Furthermore, we leave so many foundations of love in this respect that it leaves us with little to not any reason to hold on to what is left of it.

Um no. FACT. GOD IS NOT REAL. Humans ARE REAL, and we display both empathy and cruelty. It is still up to humans what we choose to foster. There is no need for fictional super heros to explain why good or bad happen.

Reality is much more filling than the mythology of antiquity.

(September 23, 2018 at 5:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The difference is reasoning demonstrates this to me as far as my analysis of love but it probably won’t convince you.  From my perspective it’s not due to the reasoning not proving it or being unclear but rather some can’t face the sight of God and his judgment while others no matter how scary embrace it.  Only those who fear and embrace fear in the journey will have courage to face the consequences of their actions and strive to be guided to God’s pathways who as his holy names and instances of his light giving face.  True Angels were scary at first for Abraham to embrace and they always seem scary and it’s same with the guides and his holy books but the compassion and beauty becomes clear and justice seen as beautiful when we have courage to embrace God’s judgment even though the guilt can be overwhelming.  However at the same time some unseen beings point to realms of no judgment and where only beauTy is appreciated and the ugliness and darkness is ignored.  Who are the true good guys in unseen realms maybe just as hard to perceive as it is the good people in this world.  The true way to heighten and measure by is God’s word brought to life but there is more then one claim to it.

That is a lot of word salad that doesn't say anything.  Reasoning is only as valid as the premises on which it is based and unless those premises are demonstrably true any conclusions reached are not justified.  Demonstrate that any god exists and then we can discuss possible attributes.

(September 23, 2018 at 4:58 pm)unfogged Wrote: I would say it was more sad than frightening.

Yes, that too.