(October 6, 2018 at 3:07 am)robvalue Wrote:

(October 5, 2018 at 10:53 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: FYI, you can be having literally this very exchange with Rik three years from now. He’s a True Believer, who will never concede a necessary brain-consciousness connection. It’s just a question of how much obstinacy, wrong-headedness, taunting at the hands of an idiot, and the number of cloying fucking emojis you are willing to endure.

You’ve been warned.

Welcome!

Yup. You will not get anywhere. You won’t even make any mild progress towards some reasonable middle ground. You’re welcome to try, of course! You will just be insulted and have assertions and bad analogies thrown at you for as long as you persist.

I've found that people whose name begins with R can be very stubborn, persistent and patient.

If NDEs would involve a bodybrain then people who had these experiences could not possibly have seen their dead bodies from above.

I guess you guys never thought about that, did you?

(October 6, 2018 at 6:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: If NDEs would involve a bodybrain then people who had these experiences could not possibly have seen their dead bodies from above.

I guess you guys never thought about that, did you?

More important things to think about.... Like what's for dinner.

(October 6, 2018 at 6:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: If NDEs would involve a bodybrain then people who had these experiences could not possibly have seen their dead bodies from above.

I guess you guys never thought about that, did you?

Weren't you going on vacation or something? You act like you never had a nightmare.

Actually, as of late, I haven't got many nightmares. Some were so cool.

(October 6, 2018 at 6:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: If NDEs would involve a bodybrain then people who had these experiences could not possibly have seen their dead bodies from above.

I guess you guys never thought about that, did you?

I "see" things all the time in my dreams and "do" things all the time in my dreams that never happened.

I guess you never thought, did you?

(October 6, 2018 at 6:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: If NDEs would involve a bodybrain then people who had these experiences could not possibly have seen their dead bodies from above.

You've already been corrected on this multiple times. That you persist in your error only shows that you can't learn. No evolutionary progress of consciousness for you!

(October 6, 2018 at 6:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: If NDEs would involve a bodybrain then people who had these experiences could not possibly have seen their dead bodies from above.

I guess you guys never thought about that, did you?

Your brain can create anything for you to see, hear, feel, taste, and smell.

I've stood on the surface of a blue quark. I've expanded my body to hold the universe in the palm of my hand. I've gone beyond the universe and discovered a world in which the expanding universe was simply a blooming flower in a field of flowers.

I've experienced an NDE myself and I saw my own body laying on the bed. It was all very realistic, but I also knew that my brain wasn't functioning as it should be. I was dying. I wasn't dead.

I awoke and couldn't feel my pulse. I got up from bed and looked in a mirror. I looked strange and all the light looked like it was moving slow.

I walked around the house and then I heard wheel of Fortune on the TV. I couldn't understand my native language of English. My brain was dying.

A sound awoke me back to reality.
I was back in bed. I was truly awake.
My body recovered from this NDE over the course of the next couple of weeks.

I can tell you first hand that everything I experienced felt real, but that's what our brains do. They make experiences feel real. It's the only organ I know of that can translate electrical impulses from our senses and turn them into what we call awareness, or consciousness.

We know that if we cut off those electrical impulses, we cut off our experience of that sensation.

We can also artificially create electrical impulses in our brains and cause someone to see or hear things that aren't there.

That's one reason why it's very difficult to determine if we are merely brains in a vat, hooked up to some electrical wires, feeding us the reality of life.

OR

If we really are living bodies that exist as a functional set of organic chemistry arranged over time, evolving our intelligence and expanding our experience and consciousness.

In the wise words of me.
"I think, therefore my brain is still alive."

NDEs: the fallback of the desperate.

Well,well guys.
First of all I apologize for not being able to answer to all of you having to deal with this idiotic iPad but in any case there would not even be the need considering that all of you FAILED to understand that the body that these guys saw were REAL dead bodies as certified by real doctors therefore the possibility that the consciousness was still connected to the bodybrain is non existing.
FAILED ONCE AGAIN FOLKS.

(October 7, 2018 at 4:49 am)Little Rik Wrote: Well,well guys.
First of all I apologize for not being able to answer to all of you having to deal with this idiotic iPad but in any case there would not even be the need considering that all of you FAILED to understand that the body that these guys saw were REAL dead bodies as certified by real doctors therefore the possibility that the consciousness was still connected to the bodybrain is non existing.
FAILED ONCE AGAIN FOLKS.

Brain activity may continue for more than 10 minutes after the body appears to have died, according to a new study.

Canadian doctors in an intensive care unit appear to have observed a person's brain continuing to work even after they were declared clinically dead.

In the case, doctors confirmed their patient was dead through a range of the normal observations, including the absence of a pulse and unreactive pupils. But tests showed that the patients’ brain appeared to keep working – experiencing the same kind of brain waves that are seen during deep sleep.

In a study that noted the findings could lead to new medical and ethical challenges, doctors reported that they had seen “single delta wave bursts persisted following the cessation of both the cardiac rhythm and arterial blood pressure (ABP)”. The findings are reported in a new study published by a team from the University of Western Ontario.

Researchers had previously thought that almost all brain activity ended in one huge mysterious surge about a minute after death. But those studies were based on rats – and the research found no comparable effect in humans.

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In your words. You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
I don't blame you for being wrong.
I just blame you for being lazy and not researching this topic enough before making your wrong comments.

I'm often wrong about lots of shit and I get called on it.
Life is about learning new stuff.

Today you learned you were wrong.