"Evidence for god. Do you have any?" recent topic had long and complex arguments, which I had hard time following.

I would like to see the same topic continued, but arguments must be as simple and short as possible, so everyone could follow them.

My short point is that God, even if He exists there can have an endless variations of Him, because we cannot know for sure. Yes, Bible can be true, but it's only a small chance that God uses his endless Might and Wisdom to do what even humans don't do for the most part - torture as long as you want to show how Badass you are.

(October 11, 2018 at 3:21 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: "Evidence for god. Do you have any?" recent topic had long and complex arguments, which I had hard time following.

I would like to see the same topic continued, but arguments must be as simple and short as possible, so everyone could follow them.

My short point is that God, even if He exists there can have an endless variations of Him, because we cannot know for sure. Yes, Bible can be true, but it's only a small chance that God uses his endless Might and Wisdom to do what even humans don't do for the most part - torture as long as you want to show how Badass you are.

Right oh...

"There is none". 

Done.

Your identity is interlinked with perception and requires it (whether brain generates or something else).
You have an exact valued identity.
Nothing can see you exactly are you are but God.
Therefore God exists.



In holy books, this emphasized but not in formal logic format, but everyday language format.

(October 12, 2018 at 6:11 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Your identity is interlinked with perception and requires it (whether brain generates or something else).
You have an exact valued identity.
Nothing can see you exactly are you are but God.
Therefore God exists.

What? I'm sorry but fuck off with that. 

What you've done there is said " You have something, this means this, something else something else, therefor god". On the scale of what you're talking about, you 100% cannot make sure crap arguments.

You can just as easily say:

Men exist
So do spiders,
Thus Spider-man exists

It's a ridiculous claim to make.

Informal evidence/argument for there being no single honest god who is capable of good communication:

Evidence 1) Most religion theists say god agrees with them on factual and moral matters.

Evidence 2) These theists disagree with each other.

Therefor, either god is lying, can't communicate properly, or people aren’t talking about the same being. If there is one honest god with a better than fifth grade communication skillset, it's something else entirely.

(October 12, 2018 at 6:11 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Your identity is interlinked with perception and requires it (whether brain generates or something else).
You have an exact valued identity.
Nothing can see you exactly are you are but God.
Therefore God exists.



In holy books, this emphasized but not in formal logic format, but everyday language format.

Who created Allah?

(October 12, 2018 at 6:31 am)purplepurpose Wrote:

(October 12, 2018 at 6:11 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Your identity is interlinked with perception and requires it (whether brain generates or something else).
You have an exact valued identity.
Nothing can see you exactly are you are but God.
Therefore God exists.



In holy books, this emphasized but not in formal logic format, but everyday language format.

Who created Allah?

God sees himself as is. We don't see ourselves exactly as we are.

(October 12, 2018 at 6:39 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 12, 2018 at 6:31 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Who created Allah?

God sees himself as is. We don't see ourselves exactly as we are.

Can you clarify in less poetic, but more logical manner how Allah made himself?

(October 12, 2018 at 6:40 am)purplepurpose Wrote:

(October 12, 2018 at 6:39 am)MysticKnight Wrote: God sees himself as is. We don't see ourselves exactly as we are.

Can you clarify in less poetic, but more logical manner how Allah made himself?

God sees himself as is. We don't see ourselves as is, but we require perception to see us as is to exist as is.

God sees us exactly as we are. Therefore God exists.

(October 12, 2018 at 6:42 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 12, 2018 at 6:40 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Can you clarify in less poetic, but more logical manner how Allah made himself?

God sees himself as is. We don't see ourselves as is, but we require perception to see us as is to exist as is.

God sees us exactly as we are. Therefore God exists.

God is eternal?