(October 17, 2018 at 8:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 7:59 pm)Whateverist Wrote: So I wonder if you accept atheistic gravity or insist on I.F.*?

*Intelligent Falling

Gravity is just a force the Lord created as part of this universe.

Could be .. or not.  Every assertion regarding something supernatural/undetectable has the same status: namely, indeterminate.

If you're here to persuade anyone of what you think you still have all your work ahead of you.  Good luck .. you'll need it.

(October 17, 2018 at 10:01 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 8:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Gravity is just a force the Lord created as part of this universe.

Could be .. or not.  Every assertion regarding something supernatural/undetectable has the same status: namely, indeterminate.

If you're here to persuade anyone of what you think you still have all your work ahead of you.  Good luck .. you'll need it.

It goes back to the information found in DNA.  There is no way around that.  The code did not write itself.

Well jesus fuckin mohammed, it's back. Must be going for 1000.

I'll watch the noobs dance with idiocy for awhile.

(October 17, 2018 at 9:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 9:33 pm)Aliza Wrote: Secular sources. It'll be a good learning exercise for both of us.

And I don't have time for Stephen C. Meyer. If you put the work into preparing a properly written explanation of how DNA works, with proper citations (I won't even mark off is you use the wrong citation style for a science paper), then I will give your work serious consideration.

I'd bet we have properly credentialed scientists here who can review your work.

You’re a theist?  I like you already! 👍

I know right? I love her to pieces. I wish she'd come over to the dark side already!

(October 17, 2018 at 10:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:01 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Could be .. or not.  Every assertion regarding something supernatural/undetectable has the same status: namely, indeterminate.

If you're here to persuade anyone of what you think you still have all your work ahead of you.  Good luck .. you'll need it.

It goes back to the information found in DNA.  There is no way around that.  The code did not write itself.

What you're calling 'information' doesn't actually function as such.  The embryo isn't assembled by a genie who 'reads' the information.  It is simple mechanics involving the properties of the chemicals involved which assemble that baby.  No intelligence required.

(October 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It goes back to the information found in DNA.  There is no way around that.  The code did not write itself.

What you're calling 'information' doesn't actually function as such.  The embryo isn't assembled by a genie who 'reads' the information.  It is simple mechanics involving the properties of the chemicals involved which assemble that baby.  No intelligence required.

LOL.  Yeah, it is that simple.  See the videos in my signature to get an idea of how this functions.

(October 17, 2018 at 10:27 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Whateverist Wrote: What you're calling 'information' doesn't actually function as such.  The embryo isn't assembled by a genie who 'reads' the information.  It is simple mechanics involving the properties of the chemicals involved which assemble that baby.  No intelligence required.

LOL.  Yeah, it is that simple.  See the videos in my signature to get an idea of how this functions.

Didn't say it wasn't complex.  I only said no intelligence was required.  Look at how complex a snowflake can be.  Do you suppose God uses a supercomputer to come up with all those designs?  Complexity is widespread, and we disagree on what accounts for that.

I'm not actually saying no God can exist.  But I seriously question your ability to tell me all about it - what it can do, what it is, what it wants from us, yada yada.  I don't try to convince you there is no God because I recognize the case I could make would be as bad as yours (well, almost as bad).  Who exactly are you to think you know all about the unknowable?

(October 17, 2018 at 10:35 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:27 pm)CDF47 Wrote: LOL.  Yeah, it is that simple.  See the videos in my signature to get an idea of how this functions.

Didn't say it wasn't complex.  I only said no intelligence was required.  Look at how complex a snowflake can be.  Do you suppose God uses a supercomputer to come up with all those designs?  Complexity is widespread, and we disagree on what accounts for that.

I'm not actually saying no God can exist.  But I seriously question your ability to tell me all about it - what it can do, what it is, what it wants from us, yada yada.  I don't try to convince you there is no God because I recognize the case I could make would be as bad as yours (well, almost as bad).  Who exactly are you to think you know all about the unknowable?

No, it's like this: CDF47 has accepted an open invitation to come over for Scrabble night. As he or she is laying down the tiles, someone interjects saying, "You can't use abbreviations. It's against the rules." And then instead of removing the tiles on the board and spelling a proper word that is acceptable to the rules of Scrabble, CDF47 declares that in their home, "abbreviations are allowed! So there!"

(October 17, 2018 at 10:35 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:27 pm)CDF47 Wrote: LOL.  Yeah, it is that simple.  See the videos in my signature to get an idea of how this functions.

Didn't say it wasn't complex.  I only said no intelligence was required.  Look at how complex a snowflake can be.  Do you suppose God uses a supercomputer to come up with all those designs?  Complexity is widespread, and we disagree on what accounts for that.

I'm not actually saying no God can exist.  But I seriously question your ability to tell me all about it - what it can do, what it is, what it wants from us, yada yada.  I don't try to convince you there is no God because I recognize the case I could make would be as bad as yours (well, almost as bad).  Who exactly are you to think you know all about the unknowable?

The Scriptures tell us about the unknowable.  Information is more than complex, it is also functional.

(October 17, 2018 at 11:16 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:35 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Didn't say it wasn't complex.  I only said no intelligence was required.  Look at how complex a snowflake can be.  Do you suppose God uses a supercomputer to come up with all those designs?  Complexity is widespread, and we disagree on what accounts for that.

I'm not actually saying no God can exist.  But I seriously question your ability to tell me all about it - what it can do, what it is, what it wants from us, yada yada.  I don't try to convince you there is no God because I recognize the case I could make would be as bad as yours (well, almost as bad).  Who exactly are you to think you know all about the unknowable?

The Scriptures tell us about the unknowable.  Information is more than complex, it is also functional.

Sugar, no one here gives a flying shit what your scriptures say. Go back home and play the game with your family. When you're ready to play by the rules, you can come back and try again.