(October 24, 2018 at 6:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: We consistently pursue our own interests.  The things people do without the knowledge or approval of washington are not our foreign policy.  Even in that short list of politically unstable relationships the value of the saudi regime becomes apparent.

They don't have to be decent people to be useful, and short of regime change or revolution, they're the people in a position to cut deals.

If you want to see consistent foreign policy in the Middle East look to the UK. In the last 120 yars they've had two goals. Between Jackie Fisher and Suez the goal was to secure oil for the RN. After Suez it has been suck up to the US.

The US by contrast has been the proverbial bull in a china shop, with the direction of policy changing on a whim.

I don't think that UK policy towards the middle east is in any way comforting to Atlass, either, lol. 

Pursuing our interests, however, doesn't mean that we do the same thing in the same way all the time. We can consistently pursue our interests while changing our means or policies - I don't think that we're discussing the same thing.

(October 24, 2018 at 7:55 am)Khemikal Wrote: I don't think that UK policy towards the middle east is in any way comforting to Atlass, either, lol. 

No, but you could at least set your watch to it.

-at least the trains run on time. 

(October 24, 2018 at 7:55 am)Khemikal Wrote: I don't think that UK policy towards the middle east is in any way comforting to Atlass, either, lol. 

Pursuing our interests, however, doesn't mean that we do the same thing in the same way all the time.  We can consistently pursue our interests while changing our means or policies - I don't think that we're discussing the same thing.

There is nobody who done harm to the Middle East more than the U.S and the domestic traitors following it. Britain, France and Russia are rivaling the U.S for the first rank; also.

This was the case since WW1, and the more time goes by, the more the situation becomes even more terrible with these countries' intervention in the domestic affairs of others -not just Arabs-.

Britain gave birth to Israel. The U.S completed the favor by inheriting the British Empire's role and took the support to Israel up to the next level.

The U.S chose "Sunni" Muslims to be its vassal in the region, while Russia chose "Shiite" Muslims to its vassal . And both are sucking Israel's cock in the process, but western powers (under the U.S) deepthroat as an extra -free of charge-.

Name me an Arab dictator, or an Irani dictator, and I'll happily and easily pinpoint the type of western support -or Russian support- he gets according to the ghetto mentality controlling the west's foreign policy.

At least, the European west has some shame still; and it is compensating Arabs by providing better immigration plans than the "Americans" who closed their borders with a wall under Trump, in one insult I have never seen like, raising to the level of brutality.

So inside the wall it's so wonderful and free. But outside the wall, you get hacked to pieces if you speak your mind.. why is this looking like a very familiar scenario I always seen in sci-fi movies?

(October 24, 2018 at 11:52 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is nobody who done harm to the Middle East more than the U.S and the domestic traitors following it. Britain, France and Russia are rivaling the U.S for the first rank; also.

This was the case since WW1, and the more time goes by, the more the situation becomes even more terrible with these countries' intervention in the domestic affairs of others -not just Arabs-.

Britain gave birth to Israel. The U.S completed the favor by inheriting the British Empire's role and took the support to Israel up to the next level.

The U.S chose "Sunni" Muslims to be its vassal in the region, while Russia chose "Shiite" Muslims to its vassal . And both are sucking Israel's cock in the process, but western powers (under the U.S) deepthroat as an extra -free of charge-.

Name me an Arab dictator, or an Irani dictator, and I'll happily and easily pinpoint the type of western support -or Russian support- he gets according to the ghetto mentality controlling the west's foreign policy.

At least, the European west has some shame still; and it is compensating Arabs by providing better immigration plans than the "Americans" who closed their borders with a wall under Trump, in one insult I have never seen like, raising to the level of brutality.

So inside the wall it's so wonderful and free. But outside the wall, you get hacked to pieces if you speak your mind.. why is this looking like a very familiar scenario I always seen in sci-fi movies?

OH IDK, I'm pretty sure that the people of the middle east have a substantial headstart in the whole "fucking the middle east" race.  Nice to see you got Teh Joos™ tossed into the mix too.  Classic.  
(hey, fwiw, I think they count, lol)

I don't think you're hearing me..I don't think you want to hear me. Yes, you can point to despots with western (and other-than-western) support.  Can you point to some non despotic authority to which all of those powers can redirect their policies? The reality of politics and foreign policy is that sovereign powers deal with each other.

You have a government of precisely two people. Those two people are assholes. OFC it makes unrepresentative deals that do not pursue the interests of it's subjects.
(otoh, the fact that those two assholes have unilateral ability to greenlight shit we want or need...makes them very convenient.)

(October 23, 2018 at 6:10 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Here you go, Atlas.

Rich motherfuckers don't care who you murder as long as you are rich enough.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/busin...ctionfront

Quote:Standing Ovation for Saudi Crown Prince Thrusts Conference Attendees Into Limelight

If he chopped a few heads off of bankers I might forgive him but money talks with these fucks and nothing else.

No, just greedy motherfuckers. I wouldn't claim every rich person is evil. I don't think Bill Gates is evil. I don't think billionaire Nick Hanaur is evil. I'd only agree that currently globally far too much of the top is greedy. Again it is not an all or nothing zero sum game. You can only argue at this point in history there isn't enough responsibility on the top. 

I am not defending one class. I am saying just like I am an atheist and an Rand was an atheist, it does not mean we agree.

Bill Gates wasn't in the room giving the fucking towel head a standing ovation, was he?

(October 24, 2018 at 1:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(October 24, 2018 at 11:52 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is nobody who done harm to the Middle East more than the U.S and the domestic traitors following it. Britain, France and Russia are rivaling the U.S for the first rank; also.

This was the case since WW1, and the more time goes by, the more the situation becomes even more terrible with these countries' intervention in the domestic affairs of others -not just Arabs-.

Britain gave birth to Israel. The U.S completed the favor by inheriting the British Empire's role and took the support to Israel up to the next level.

The U.S chose "Sunni" Muslims to be its vassal in the region, while Russia chose "Shiite" Muslims to its vassal . And both are sucking Israel's cock in the process, but western powers (under the U.S) deepthroat as an extra -free of charge-.

Name me an Arab dictator, or an Irani dictator, and I'll happily and easily pinpoint the type of western support -or Russian support- he gets according to the ghetto mentality controlling the west's foreign policy.

At least, the European west has some shame still; and it is compensating Arabs by providing better immigration plans than the "Americans" who closed their borders with a wall under Trump, in one insult I have never seen like, raising to the level of brutality.

So inside the wall it's so wonderful and free. But outside the wall, you get hacked to pieces if you speak your mind.. why is this looking like a very familiar scenario I always seen in sci-fi movies?

OH IDK, I'm pretty sure that the people of the middle east have a substantial headstart in the whole "fucking the middle east" race.  Nice to see you got Teh Joos™ tossed into the mix too.  Classic.  
(hey, fwiw, I think they count, lol)

I don't think you're hearing me..I don't think you want to hear me. Yes, you can point to despots with western (and other-than-western) support.  Can you point to some non despotic authority to which all of those powers can redirect their policies?  The reality of politics and foreign policy is that sovereign powers deal with each other.

You have a government of precisely two people.  Those two people are assholes.  OFC it makes unrepresentative deals that do not pursue the interests of it's subjects.
(otoh, the fact that those two assholes have unilateral ability to greenlight shit we want or need...makes them very convenient.)

I didn't bring Jews to the mix; the British did after WW1 and as a tip of spear for their war with the Ottomans !
You see; all of this "manufactured crisis" is British in its core; and European in its nature. Europeans got sick of the Jewish ghettos in Europe, so they threw their Jewish population in Arabia !

The hilarious thing is the motive: the motive behind Jewish immigration is very biblical. But the west claims to be secular, lol.
If you asked me about my opinion; Jews are as native as a Husky dog wondering the Arabian desert.

AKA "they don't belong"..quite like the white man in America. Look at them; they are locked inside small bunkers loaded with weapons and watchtowers; if the electric current went off they'll lose what they invaded.

Somebody is repeating what happened in America, but Muslims are not the native Americans..

(October 24, 2018 at 3:52 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I didn't bring Jews to the mix; the British did after WW1 and as a tip of spear for their war with the Ottomans !
You see; all of this "manufactured crisis" is British in its core; and European in its nature. Europeans got sick of the Jewish ghettos in Europe, so they threw their Jewish population in Arabia !

Okay.

Quote:The hilarious thing is the motive: the motive behind Jewish immigration is very biblical. But the west claims to be secular, lol.
If you asked me about my opinion; Jews are as native as a Husky dog wondering the Arabian desert.

AKA "they don't belong"..quite like the white man in America. Look at them; they are locked inside small bunkers loaded with weapons and watchtowers; if the electric current went off they'll lose what they invaded.

I think that the arab world already tried that..it didn't pan out well, but it's nice to see that the dream is still alive!

Quote:Somebody is repeating what happened in America, but Muslims are not the native Americans..

Okay.