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Objective Morality?
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 (September 26, 2011 at 8:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Less bigoted people than yourself. Circular argument. (September 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Anyone who truly understands human behavior and doesn't rely on there morals from text inspired millenia ago by narrow minded, desert dwelling tribal leaders and self appointed religious leaders I suppose. So you rely simply on the opinions of others as to what is wrong and what is right? That’s scary.
Yes, and the circle is closed to bigots, as it should be.
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 (September 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So you rely simply on the opinions of others as to what is wrong and what is right? That’s scary. I didn't say that, nor did I imply it. I simply answered your question as to who, in my opinion, doesn't consider homosexuality wrong. You're reading things in my reply that simply aren't there. Anyway, I would have thought that if anyone relies on the opinions of others to form their own moral compass it would be you, even if those people have been dead for over 2000 years. ![[Image: cinjin_banner_border.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=oggtheclever.com%2Fcinjin_banner_border.jpg) (September 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm)Darwinian Wrote: I didn't say that, nor did I imply it. I simply answered your question as to who, in my opinion, doesn't consider homosexuality wrong. You're reading things in my reply that simply aren't there. Well if you had said, “In my opinion homosexuality is not wrong” I would not have had any issues with that. Of course you didn’t say that though. Quote: Anyway, I would have thought that if anyone relies on the opinions of others to form their own moral compass it would be you, even if those people have been dead for over 2000 years. God is not dead though, nor is he fallible. So there is no problem basing morality on His revelation. 
It is wrong for several reasons. First, because fornication, which is sex outside of marriage, is a sin. Second, because marriage is only between a man and a women. Therefore, there is no situation in which homosexual sex is acceptable. Just as it is unacceptable to have sex with animals. Third, because it is an aberration for Gods plan for the family. Lastly, because it is simply an abomination in Gods sight. It is also socially destructive..history has shown when you approve of homosexualiy, paedophilia is not far behind. It is deviant behavior which corrupts the cultures that tolerate it.
(September 26, 2011 at 7:02 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(September 26, 2011 at 5:34 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: If someone disapproves of adultery are they a bigot too? (September 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm)lucent Wrote: It is wrong for several reasons. First, because fornication, which is sex outside of marriage, is a sin. Second, because marriage is only between a man and a women. Therefore, there is no situation in which homosexual sex is acceptable. Just as it is unacceptable to have sex with animals. Third, because it is an aberration for Gods plan for the family. Lastly, because it is simply an abomination in Gods sight. It is also socially destructive..history has shown when you approve of homosexualiy, paedophilia is not far behind. It is deviant behavior which corrupts the cultures that tolerate it. Some might say that you are a deluded, bigoted idiot and it is exactly this sort of attitude which is socially destructive and if no-one actually thought like you did then the human condition would be a lot healthier than it is today. But certainly not me.. (September 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Some might say that you are a deluded, bigoted idiot and it is exactly this sort of attitude which is socially destructive and if no-one actually thought like you did then the human condition would be a lot healthier than it is today. What!? He lays out a clear and concise argument as to why it is wrong and you respond with nothing more than a backhanded insult? I expected more from you Darwinian. :-( (September 26, 2011 at 8:35 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(September 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Some might say that you are a deluded, bigoted idiot and it is exactly this sort of attitude which is socially destructive and if no-one actually thought like you did then the human condition would be a lot healthier than it is today. I'm sorry but he linked homosexuality with pedophilia which, in my book, is a huge NO, NO! RE: Objective Morality?
September 26, 2011 at 9:04 pm
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2011 at 9:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
A clear and well thought out argument would contain all of the "if" modifiers inherent in his statements. I must have missed them. When he (and you, and others like you) stop throwing around your opinions and fantasies and present some evidence then you'll deserve a decent conversation. Until then you get nothing.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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