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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 4, 2018 at 1:30 am
(November 3, 2018 at 10:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 3, 2018 at 8:44 am)LastPoet Wrote: I would only accept that DNA is proof of a designer if and only if such designer were.... human.
Where would that human have come from?
(November 3, 2018 at 10:43 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: But over and over here, you've said that DNA proves the creator. Therefore you need no faith ... YOU yourself have said so.
You have no "faith" You have proof. You said so.
I have faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
No you don't. You don't need faith. You claim to have proof.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 4, 2018 at 2:50 am
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(November 3, 2018 at 10:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I have faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
Lord?... And you're the vassal?... The things people get convinced of...
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Savior? Saving from what exactly?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 4, 2018 at 3:52 am
(November 3, 2018 at 10:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I have faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Yay, you believe a magic sky fairy. How persuasive.
Tell me, why is it that you actively want to present yourself as an imbecile on the intertubes?
I can't figure that out.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 4, 2018 at 4:02 am
Quote:Where would that human have come from?
And you missed his point
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 4, 2018 at 6:36 am
(November 4, 2018 at 1:30 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 3, 2018 at 10:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Where would that human have come from?
I have faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
No you don't. You don't need faith. You claim to have proof.
Mrm Inquisition for the first time in his life is being honest. Here he's admitting he's got nothing but a nebulous and unformed belief based on no evidence and contradicting everything known about the universe.
Problem for us is that this adimission is an unconscious reflex, his admission will be ignored.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 5, 2018 at 4:11 am
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(November 4, 2018 at 1:30 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 3, 2018 at 10:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Where would that human have come from?
I have faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
No you don't. You don't need faith. You claim to have proof.
Proof of a Creator. Faith in Jesus. Not a blind faith though. It is backed up by historians and the Bible.
(November 4, 2018 at 2:50 am)pocaracas Wrote: (November 3, 2018 at 10:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I have faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
Lord?... And you're the vassal?... The things people get convinced of...
Vassal - synonyms: villein, liege, liegeman, man, bondsman, vavasour, serf, helot, slave, thrall, subject
Savior? Saving from what exactly?
From hell or annihilation.
(November 4, 2018 at 6:36 am)Wololo Wrote: (November 4, 2018 at 1:30 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: No you don't. You don't need faith. You claim to have proof.
Mrm Inquisition for the first time in his life is being honest. Here he's admitting he's got nothing but a nebulous and unformed belief based on no evidence and contradicting everything known about the universe.
Problem for us is that this adimission is an unconscious reflex, his admission will be ignored.
You wish.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 5, 2018 at 4:45 am
(November 5, 2018 at 4:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: (November 4, 2018 at 1:30 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: No you don't. You don't need faith. You claim to have proof.
Proof of a Creator. Faith in Jesus. Not a blind faith though. It is backed up by historians and the Bible.
There is no such proof.
And be careful which historians you follow... late 19th and early 20th century "historians" were known to be specifically searching for anything that could confirm the bible. Not a very unbiased way to write history.
(November 5, 2018 at 4:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: (November 4, 2018 at 2:50 am)pocaracas Wrote: Lord?... And you're the vassal?... The things people get convinced of...
Vassal - synonyms: villein, liege, liegeman, man, bondsman, vavasour, serf, helot, slave, thrall, subject
Savior? Saving from what exactly?
From hell or annihilation.
And what makes you think that you need saving from hell?
I'd be wary of an institution that makes you fear a thing which is not apparent and then sells you the cure.
Annihilation is inevitable... Tell me, what happened to the peasant that lived 1000 years ago in rural France? Or the Roman soldier that died in battle against the Germanic barbarians? Does anyone remember their names? their personalities? their faces?... no, they're lost to time... they've been annihilated. Just like you will be, someday... and I will be and most of us.
Some of us live on in people's memories - From Socrates, to Marcus Aurelius.... from Alexander the great to Genghis Khan, from Charlemagne to Vivaldi, from Mozart to Michael Jackson - but most of us are eventually cast into oblivion.
I admit that it is not a pleasant thought, but it is what it is.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 5, 2018 at 5:15 am
(November 5, 2018 at 4:45 am)pocaracas Wrote: (November 5, 2018 at 4:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: Proof of a Creator. Faith in Jesus. Not a blind faith though. It is backed up by historians and the Bible.
There is no such proof.
And be careful which historians you follow... late 19th and early 20th century "historians" were known to be specifically searching for anything that could confirm the bible. Not a very unbiased way to write history.
(November 5, 2018 at 4:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: From hell or annihilation.
And what makes you think that you need saving from hell?
I'd be wary of an institution that makes you fear a thing which is not apparent and then sells you the cure.
Annihilation is inevitable... Tell me, what happened to the peasant that lived 1000 years ago in rural France? Or the Roman soldier that died in battle against the Germanic barbarians? Does anyone remember their names? their personalities? their faces?... no, they're lost to time... they've been annihilated. Just like you will be, someday... and I will be and most of us.
Some of us live on in people's memories - From Socrates, to Marcus Aurelius.... from Alexander the great to Genghis Khan, from Charlemagne to Vivaldi, from Mozart to Michael Jackson - but most of us are eventually cast into oblivion.
I admit that it is not a pleasant thought, but it is what it is.
Yeah, but the historians would have to be the ones that spoke of Jesus. They were all credible, at least I never heard anything bad about them.
I know the Bible can be abused and there are snake oil salesmen in it. This is warned of in the Bible itself.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 5, 2018 at 5:28 am
(November 5, 2018 at 5:15 am)CDF47 Wrote: (November 5, 2018 at 4:45 am)pocaracas Wrote: There is no such proof.
And be careful which historians you follow... late 19th and early 20th century "historians" were known to be specifically searching for anything that could confirm the bible. Not a very unbiased way to write history.
And what makes you think that you need saving from hell?
I'd be wary of an institution that makes you fear a thing which is not apparent and then sells you the cure.
Annihilation is inevitable... Tell me, what happened to the peasant that lived 1000 years ago in rural France? Or the Roman soldier that died in battle against the Germanic barbarians? Does anyone remember their names? their personalities? their faces?... no, they're lost to time... they've been annihilated. Just like you will be, someday... and I will be and most of us.
Some of us live on in people's memories - From Socrates, to Marcus Aurelius.... from Alexander the great to Genghis Khan, from Charlemagne to Vivaldi, from Mozart to Michael Jackson - but most of us are eventually cast into oblivion.
I admit that it is not a pleasant thought, but it is what it is.
Yeah, but the historians would have to be the ones that spoke of Jesus. They were all credible, at least I never heard anything bad about them.
You mean the gospel writers?
Can you call them historians? or were they more story tellers?
(November 5, 2018 at 5:15 am)CDF47 Wrote: I know the Bible can be abused and there are snake oil salesmen in it. This is warned of in the Bible itself.
Verily I say unto thee... heed the false words of others, as you trust mine own, for you know in your heart that I speak the Truth.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 5, 2018 at 6:10 am
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(November 5, 2018 at 5:28 am)pocaracas Wrote: (November 5, 2018 at 5:15 am)CDF47 Wrote: Yeah, but the historians would have to be the ones that spoke of Jesus. They were all credible, at least I never heard anything bad about them.
You mean the gospel writers?
Can you call them historians? or were they more story tellers?
(November 5, 2018 at 5:15 am)CDF47 Wrote: I know the Bible can be abused and there are snake oil salesmen in it. This is warned of in the Bible itself.
Verily I say unto thee... heed the false words of others, as you trust mine own, for you know in your heart that I speak the Truth.
- by Every-Snake-Oil-Salesman-Ever
I mean historians in addition to the gospel writers.
Snake oil salesman are bad in Christianity but it is good to be able to discern the true men of God from the wolves in sheep clothes.
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