Quote:That photo is a bad joke compared to the specified functional complexity found in DNA.

No it's not and you can't compare anything to a make believe non scientific term.

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Quote:I disagree with common ancestry

No one cares it's a fact

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Quote:Great post

Only if you don't understand science

600 pages of "IDK shit, therefore god".  Priceless.

(November 10, 2018 at 5:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 10, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Everena Wrote: I think God is higher intelligence, a massive form of energy perhaps. 

Well..that's nice, I guess?  So what,  though?  What you believe and what is true aren't always the same thing.

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(November 10, 2018 at 5:43 pm)Everena Wrote: No, science definintely does not know why or how we have consciousness. There are neuroscientists all over the world working on solving the mystery of it right now.  And yours is also an argument of ignorance, just so we are on the same page with the type of discussion we are having.

If you say so..but, again, it's not as if it would matter if it didn't...and if you're now appealing to hypocrisy you can only be asserting that what we are both doing (not that you'd know what I'm doing) is wrong.

Not that it's wrong, just that it is something neither one of us can really prove either way. Therefore we are left with using logic. and it is my assertion that the ONLY logical explanation is that higher intelligence created this planet and probably this entire universe.

That's nice, and just like your beliefs, your assertions and what are true are not always the same thing.  

For example, you asserted that science has no idea why we're conscious.  Well, that's not true, lol.  

For example, you asserted that "mine was an argument from ignorance" without having any possible way to know what "mine" was...so, again, still one of your assertions, and not true. 

You now assert that the only logical explanation is that a creator made this planet and the entire universe.  This is also not true...and it's not exactly clear that your notions of a creator making the universe and the planet are even among the many possible and logical explanations for either thing.

To wit..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protoplanetary_disk

So, there you go, just the first two..and very accessible.... explanations for both things, which you asserted only had a single logical explanation, that explanation being fairies.

Are your beliefs entirely built out of demonstrably false assertions? Does that matter to you? Do you think that a rational faith, regarding an existent god, would be comprised of demonstrable (and easily demonstrable) falsehoods?

(November 11, 2018 at 3:04 am)Khemikal Wrote: That's nice, and just like your beliefs, your assertions and what are true are not always the same thing.  

For example, you asserted that science has no idea why we're conscious.  Well, that's not true, lol.  

For example, you asserted that "mine was an argument from ignorance" without having any possible way to know what "mine" was...so, again, still one of your assertions, and not true. 

You now assert that the only logical explanation is that a creator made this planet and the entire universe.  This is also not true...and it's not exactly clear that your notions of a creator making the universe and the planet are even among the many possible and logical explanations for either thing.

To wit..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protoplanetary_disk

So, there you go, just the first two..and very accessible.... explanations for both things, which you asserted only had a single logical explanation, that explanation being fairies.

Are your beliefs entirely built out of demonstrably false assertions?  Does that matter to you?  Do you think that a rational faith, regarding an existent god, would be comprised of demonstrable (and easily demonstrable) falsehoods?

I not only asserted it, I can prove that science has no idea why we are conscious. There are only hypotheses about it, nothing more. Why don't you look it up instead of pretending you know something that you don't.  

Also, there is no other logical explanation of how everything came to be. "It all just happened naturally dude" is not a logical explanation and it means nothing. Who doesn't believe in the Big Bang? There is a great 3 minute youtube video called "A brief timeline of everything" that is an incredibly beautiful depiction of the Big Bang. Coolest thing any atheist ever shared with me. The Big Bang required intelligence however, whether you choose to believe that or not. Do you really think mere human beings are the highest form of intelligence in an estimated 200 billion galaxies? And how could something conscious and intelligent ever possibly emerge from something that was not conscious or intelligent?

And, my beliefs are built on the ability to apply logic and conclude what is fairly obvious, combined with numerous shared/mutual experiences and signs that have proven God to me beyond any and all doubt.

(November 11, 2018 at 3:37 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 3:04 am)Khemikal Wrote: That's nice, and just like your beliefs, your assertions and what are true are not always the same thing.  

For example, you asserted that science has no idea why we're conscious.  Well, that's not true, lol.  

For example, you asserted that "mine was an argument from ignorance" without having any possible way to know what "mine" was...so, again, still one of your assertions, and not true. 

You now assert that the only logical explanation is that a creator made this planet and the entire universe.  This is also not true...and it's not exactly clear that your notions of a creator making the universe and the planet are even among the many possible and logical explanations for either thing.

To wit..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protoplanetary_disk

So, there you go, just the first two..and very accessible.... explanations for both things, which you asserted only had a single logical explanation, that explanation being fairies.

Are your beliefs entirely built out of demonstrably false assertions?  Does that matter to you?  Do you think that a rational faith, regarding an existent god, would be comprised of demonstrable (and easily demonstrable) falsehoods?

I not only asserted it, I can prove that science has no idea why we are conscious. There are only hypotheses about it, nothing more. Why don't you look it up instead of pretending you know something that you don't.  Also, there is no other logical explanation of how everything came to be. "It all just happened naturally dude" is not a logical explanation and it means nothing. My beliefs are built on the ability to apply logic and conclude what is fairly obvious, combined with numerous shared/mutual experiences and signs that have proven God to me beyond any and all doubt.

How God "just happened naturally dude" and our consciousness can't?

(November 11, 2018 at 3:37 am)Everena Wrote: I not only asserted it, I can prove that science has no idea why we are conscious.  There are only hypotheses about it, nothing more. Why don't you look it up instead of pretending you know something that you don't. 

Reassertion.  Still as wrong as the first time you asserted it.

Quote:Also, there is no other logical explanation of how everything came to be. "It all just happened naturally dude" is not a logical explanation and it means nothing.

I just gave you two other logical explanations for how the universe and our planet came to be (they even have the benefit of massive evidence supporting them, as opposed to a magic book and you having the good feels).  Your assertion that a fairy is the only logical explanation for either is not only false, it's absurdly and pointlessly false on it's face.

Quote:My beliefs are built on the ability to apply logic and conclude what is fairly obvious, combined with numerous shared/mutual experiences and signs that have proven God to me beyond any and all doubt.

That doesn't seem to be the case so far. So I guess...here, we have another assertion which is immediately recognizable as being untrue.

You're 0/4.......gj?

At work.

Hello Everena!

Might I enquire to yourself about some things?

Could you, perhaps, share with me an overview of the scope and abilities about which you think your proposed 'Over mind' possess?

Cheers!

(November 11, 2018 at 3:43 am)purplepurpose Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 3:37 am)Everena Wrote: I not only asserted it, I can prove that science has no idea why we are conscious. There are only hypotheses about it, nothing more. Why don't you look it up instead of pretending you know something that you don't.  Also, there is no other logical explanation of how everything came to be. "It all just happened naturally dude" is not a logical explanation and it means nothing. My beliefs are built on the ability to apply logic and conclude what is fairly obvious, combined with numerous shared/mutual experiences and signs that have proven God to me beyond any and all doubt.

How God "just happened naturally dude" and our consciousness can't?

It is Biology that is claiming it all must have just happened naturally, by some form of mysterious atheist magic I guess.  Theists are fully aware that higher intelligence was necessary for this to all come to be as it has.

Theists are "fully aware" of many things which aren't true.  You're a case in point.