(November 11, 2018 at 8:39 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 8:36 am)Everena Wrote: It is in the article. You obviously did not read the entire article. And food proves God. Plants are not conscious life. Food that is delicious and that also provides energy would not just magically appear here along with all conscious life. Sorry, it's a fail for atheism YAY I win I win.

Cite the relevant part(s) of the article so that we might discuss your claim.

I wasn't claiming anything. I just brought up the latest discoveries from quantum biology and there potential long term implications for proving the concept of eternal life when combined with the multiverse theory from quantum mechanics.  Here is the article.  https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

Everena, why is this massive form of energy of yours so obsessed with the unfolding of my life, does it have some sort of fetish?

(November 11, 2018 at 8:50 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 8:43 am)Everena Wrote: Add to that that we have consciuosness, intelligence, a sex drive, a will to live, eyes that see, ears that hear, a nose that smells, arms that hug, legs that can walk, complex DNA, an immune system that could not have possibly come to be without an intelligent agent.

Subtract from that rape, genocide, disease, poverty, widespread ignorance, religious figures who molest children, and you end up with a wash.

Note: I don't normally argue "the problem of evil" unless someone comes at me with "the solution of good." Your argument fails. Try again.

I think hell is happening right here, right now, right before our very eyes. All it takes is observing and examining what is happening in the world. All around us people are celebrating and joyous. All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are suffering and in pain, and all around us people are doing horrifying, terrible things. Additionally, priests and nuns and monks take a lifetime vow of celibacy after claiming to have heard a "calling' and we spay and neuter pets and put animals in cages.

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(November 11, 2018 at 9:11 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Everena, what religion are you from?

I was raised by atheists. I was saved and baptised Christian, however I am not Christian. I think all religions are man-made, but with a good purpose in mind. I have eclectic beliefs.

(November 11, 2018 at 3:29 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 8:39 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Cite the relevant part(s) of the article so that we might discuss your claim.

I wasn't claiming anything. I just brought up the latest discoveries from quantum biology and there potential long term implications for proving the concept of eternal life when combined with the multiverse theory from quantum mechanics.  Here is the article.  https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

There is absolutely nothing in that article that says anything about "eternal" life. Obviously you know nothing about either Quantum Mechanics or Biology.

(November 11, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:37 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Bahai may or may not be nonsense. But I am reluctant to dismiss it out of hand.

Why?

It is an improvement upon nonsense. And an improvement upon nonsense makes sense. After all, that is all that science and philosophy are (when you really stand back and look at them.)

It's not, go spend twenty minutes at a bahai forum.  Those guys are nuts, even more nuts than your run of the mill religious nuts.  That's what happens when you get too deep into syncretism, though, you end up with a schizophrenic religion.

The bahai faith is islam's version of scientology.

and just when you thought mental retardation couldn’t be any more hilarious that just your run of the mill Islamic nutter, you gotta throw halal thetans into the mix.

(November 11, 2018 at 9:45 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 4:23 am)Everena Wrote: Because you are completely avoiding mentioning the first cause of life and jumping right to what happened after that. We all know what happened after that and something like DNA would not just evolve out of nothing for no reason and with no intelligent driving force. It's like our sex drive and our will to live. Those things don't just happen without intelligence. How could "nothing" possibly care if our species survived or not?

No, I am not.  I explicitly stated that we have plausible explanations for how DNA based life may have come to be.  And you're still misrepresenting the fact that people think that life came from nothing.  It is hypothesized that life came from simpler organizations of matter, not nothing, so you continue to dishonestly push a straw man.

Beyond that, you have the same problem that CDF47 has had, namely showing that life and DNA could not have arisen from simpler matter through natural processes.  Until you do that, all the rest of your arguments are just an irrelevant shit show.

Where did this simpler matter come from and how did it come to be? And define natural in that context.

(November 11, 2018 at 3:35 pm)Everena Wrote: I was raised by atheists. I was saved and baptised Christian, however I am not Christian. I think all religions are man-made, but with a good purpose in mind. I have eclectic beliefs.

Where have I heard this before
Saved but not Christian? How exactly does that work?
What is the good purpose? Can the purpose you have in mind not be achieved without some sort of nonsense attached to it?

You say you’ve studied science? But you’re asking fundamental questions about abiogenesis, the formation of matter, the Big Bang etc, as though you’ve never heard of any of it before?

It’s almost as if, you’re lying about that too?

(November 11, 2018 at 10:06 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 8:47 am)Everena Wrote: What I said was recent discoveries in quantum biology coupled with quantum mechanics multiverse theory could soon prove eternal life. Don't try to change what I said. 


How did you manage that? 93% of the world got it before you did! Oh well, you had your fun being an atheist.

Appealing to 93 % of the world (*as if* they all bought into the same god) being believers as some sort of argument for the gods IS the "ad populum" fallacy. Doh.
99 % once thought the world was flat.
Oh well, you had your fun being a theist.



We all do believe in the same God. People just perceive God in the way that makes the most sense to them. Chistians, Muslim, Judaists, Hindus, Jainists, Scientologists and most New-agers all believe in a creator God, a soul that exists separately from the body, an afterlife in a better place and reward/redemption.  

And 99% of the world was not even consulted about what they thought about the shape of the world. The small amount of ppl you are referring to just simply did not know, just like you did not know until someone taught you it was spherical.

Quote:God's grand design is awesome and perfect and exactly how it is supposed to be. What are your problems with it? What specifically do not like about God's design?

Are you like 2 years old ?
Can we start with the millions of babies who die of cancer, starvation, thirst and disease ? That *awesome* design ? LMAO

If you have proof of anything, then you need no faith. Apparently you are the only theist alive who needs no faith.

I think hell is happening right here and that people only ever suffer pain that they have intentionally caused to others in the this life or in past lives. Also, there is no real death when you believe in eternal life. And yes, it a perfect design and is exactly how it is supposed to be.

(November 11, 2018 at 3:35 pm)Everena Wrote: I think hell is happening right here, right now, right before our very eyes. All it takes is observing and examining what is happening in the world. 

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Then, thank you for debunking yourself. A couple pages ago, you claimed the universe was perfectly designed.
There is real death, (as you will find out some day), regardless of your beliefs.

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(November 10, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Elverena Wrote: I think evolution is very possibly true, but parts of it are not proven beyond any doubt. 

That statement alone proves you have no clue how science works.