You’re a charlatan and a liar, peddling nonsense to score quick virtue points to maximize your own sense of self-worth (which appears to be astronomical already).

GTFO you know nothing hypocrite. Stop lowering the general intelligence of the species with your vacuous blithering.

(November 11, 2018 at 3:35 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 8:50 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Subtract from that rape, genocide, disease, poverty, widespread ignorance, religious figures who molest children, and you end up with a wash.

Note: I don't normally argue "the problem of evil" unless someone comes at me with "the solution of good." Your argument fails. Try again.

I think hell is happening right here, right now, right before our very eyes. All it takes is observing and examining what is happening in the world. All around us people are celebrating and joyous. All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are suffering and in pain, and all around us people are doing horrifying, terrible things. Additionally, priests and nuns and monks take a lifetime vow of celibacy after claiming to have heard a "calling' and we spay and neuter pets and put animals in cages.

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(November 11, 2018 at 9:11 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Everena, what religion are you from?

I was raised by atheists. I was saved and baptised Christian, however I am not Christian. I think all religions are man-made, but with a good purpose in mind. I have eclectic beliefs.

So are you just trolling the forums by disputing evolution before conceding it and encouraging the perception that you support traditional Christian dogma before disowning it?

Do you have any ground of your own you'd care to share or defend?

(November 11, 2018 at 3:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Yes, creation is a process that requires a conscious intelligent creator. We always have been and we always will be. Learn to live with it.

But that process does not meet YOUR definition, now does it. Woops. 
A "process" takes time. 
How can there be a process when space-time does not exist yet. 

Theology claims God exists in a "timeless" environment, yet constantly defies that by ascribing temporal acts to your god. It's meaningless tripe.  
Intelligence and consciousness REQUIRE time to function. If your god has ALWAYS been conscious and intelligent where did the environment come from in which it MUST operate ? It couldn't have created it, if it needs it. 

Oh well. 
Just another below-standard troll. 
When will they send in a good one ? 
We had one, (only one) once on TTA.

Science validly attempts to discover the "how" (ie what the process WAS), (not why) of how things came to be in their present state.
No one gives a shit about "why". Science wants to know "how".
I think there's a Clue Store somewhere. Perhaps you could buy one there.

(November 11, 2018 at 3:45 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: You say you’ve studied science? But you’re asking fundamental questions about abiogenesis, the formation of matter, the Big Bang etc, as though you’ve never heard of any of it before?

It’s almost as if, you’re lying about that too?

It all requires an intelligent agent, or it doesn't happen.

(November 11, 2018 at 3:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Wrong. Science attempts only to discover how things are happening, not why they are happening. The word why may be used loosely, but understanding the whys of our existence is not a goal of science.

Guess what, religion doesn't seek to discover why things are happening either. Religion just spins a story that confers meaning without any discovery process. In the case of Christianity the meaning is assumed to be revealed by the bible. I think whatever science reveals deserves much more consideration than the just-so stories of religion.

(November 11, 2018 at 4:17 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 3:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Wrong. Science attempts only to discover how things are happening, not why they are happening. The word why may be used loosely, but understanding the whys of our existence is not a goal of science.

Guess what, religion doesn't seek to discover why things are happening either.  Religion just spins a story that confers meaning without any discovery process.  In the case of Christianity the meaning is assumed to be revealed by the bible.  I think whatever science reveals deserves much more consideration than the just-so stories of religion.

So do I. I think all religions are man-made but with a good purpose in mind. Higher intelligence as the creator of this universe is still the only logical assumption.

(November 11, 2018 at 4:17 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 3:45 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: You say you’ve studied science? But you’re asking fundamental questions about abiogenesis, the formation of matter, the Big Bang etc, as though you’ve never heard of any of it before?

It’s almost as if, you’re lying about that too?

It all requires an intelligent agent, or it doesn't happen.

You forgot to post the evidence that supports that assertion ... take your time. 
It has been proven that the processes that could lead to life do not require any such agent. 
The thing is, you're just simply ignorant of that science, thus you jump to your "gap-filler" god.

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(November 11, 2018 at 4:21 pm)Everena Wrote: So do I. I think all religions are man-made but with a good purpose in mind. Higher intelligence as the creator of this universe is still the only logical assumption.

Nope. Wrong. Reality in this universe has been proven to be non-intuitive. 
Is Uncertainly in Quantum Mechanics "logical" ? Nope. 
Is relativity "logical" ? No. 
You have no reason to assume Reality "outside" or "other than" this universe conforms to what you observe within it. 

Logic is necessary but not sufficient. Logic alone gets you no where. 
You didn't even say which logic you're referring to. There are many logics, many of which are totally consistent, yet do not obtain in Reality.

(November 11, 2018 at 4:24 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 4:17 pm)Everena Wrote: It all requires an intelligent agent, or it doesn't happen.

You forgot to post the evidence that supports that assertion ... take your time. 
It has been proven that the processes that could lead to life do not require any such agent. 
The thing is, you're just simply ignorant of that science, thus you jump to your "gap-filler" god.

The evidence is that everything exists. And it has never been proven that the processes that lead to life do not require an intelligent agent. Please present anything that you think disproves God. I'll be waiting (forever)