(November 12, 2018 at 2:29 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: I have seen a lot of BS in the past 3 years on TTA, but this thread, MK, Atlas and this person......Jesus.F.Christ, thats a whole new level of insanity. A completely different league.  

We make you think lol.

(November 12, 2018 at 2:28 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 2:23 pm)Everena Wrote: God doesn't give life. We are life eternal. God just created this universe and planet and our flesh to inhabit.

Can you provide evidence that we are eternal.

No, it is a faith based belief. We were discussing earlier that quantum mechanics proves that atoms and electrons can exist in 2 places at the same time. Then of course there is the multiverse theory. I think we exist in another universe as our true selves and when we die here, we just wake up there.

(November 12, 2018 at 2:30 pm)Kit Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 2:29 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: I have seen a lot of BS in the past 3 years on TTA, but this thread, MK, Atlas and this person......Jesus.F.Christ, thats a whole new level of insanity. A completely different league.  

We get the real crazies over here, I'm tellin' ya.

Only cause of good looking women here do we stay!

(November 12, 2018 at 2:31 pm)Everena Wrote: No, it is a faith based belief. We were discussing earlier that quantum mechanics proves that atoms and electrons can exist in 2 places at the same time. Then of course there is the multiverse theory. I think we exist in another universe as our true selves and when we die here, we just wake up there.

Faith is one of the biggest theistic tools of all.

No evidence? No worries, just claim faith.

Faith doesn't excuse anything. Rather, it merely further implicates.

(November 12, 2018 at 2:30 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Everena Wrote: HUH?

I thought you believed our immortality was owing to something joined to us but not of our bodies, correct?  So I'm just wondering why our earthly bodies are good enough to support sensory/motor functions.  Did I get that wrong?

Why are they? They just are. Still not sure what you're getting at.

(November 12, 2018 at 2:31 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 2:28 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Can you provide evidence that we are eternal.

No, it is a faith based belief. We were discussing earlier that quantum mechanics proves that atoms and electrons can exist in 2 places at the same time. Then of course there is the multiverse theory. I think we exist in another universe as our true selves and when we die here, we just wake up there.

We can presume that God exists. But your faith doesn't make us eternal, it's just a claim.

(November 12, 2018 at 2:33 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 2:31 pm)Everena Wrote: No, it is a faith based belief. We were discussing earlier that quantum mechanics proves that atoms and electrons can exist in 2 places at the same time. Then of course there is the multiverse theory. I think we exist in another universe as our true selves and when we die here, we just wake up there.

We can presume that God exists. But your faith doesn't make us eternal, it's just a claim.

I'll agree with that but only because I can't prove it to you beyond any doubt.

(November 12, 2018 at 2:33 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 2:30 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I thought you believed our immortality was owing to something joined to us but not of our bodies, correct?  So I'm just wondering why our earthly bodies are good enough to support sensory/motor functions.  Did I get that wrong?

Why are they? They just are. Still not sure what you're getting at.

It just strikes me as an inelegant arrangement and therefore a stretch for the imagination.

That's all the questions I have for you except one.  Is your avatar a picture of Elphaba from the play Wicked?

(November 12, 2018 at 2:40 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 2:33 pm)Everena Wrote: Why are they? They just are. Still not sure what you're getting at.

It just strikes me as an inelegant arrangement and therefore a stretch for the imagination.

That's all the questions I have for you except one.  Is your avatar a picture of Elphaba from the play Wicked?

No, it's a picture of me, why? 
And what do you consider to be a stretch for the imagination? That we are more than mere robots?

(November 12, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Everena Wrote: Fine, they prove nothing to someone like you. They have proven God to me and bilions and billions of others beyond any and all doubt.

Yeah and if you rewind the clock to ancient times, the generally flat appearance of the earth, "proved" earth's flatness. The fact that crops turned out poorly "proved" that they must have angered the the gods who brought the rain. They were mistaken about that. But if you took a poll in ancient times, most people would have agreed that angering the gods was the reason for bad weather. That doesn't make it true. It is bad reasoning to assume that it does. After all, there are far more plausible explanations for weather patterns, aren't there?

As far as your own mystical experiences, I'm trying to meet you halfway here. Others in the thread have argued that such experiences are reducible to brain activity, and (on this point) I agree with them. But where I disagree is that your experience ought to be dubbed meaningless on that account. For example, if I am in love with a woman, my experience can be explained by brain chemistry and neurotransmitters, sure. But that should have no bearing on my relation to the experience of love. There is an ontology there which is not reducible to chemistry. I have much the same attitude regarding mysticism. There is an ontology with mysticism that can and does supply significance to one's existence. But just because I experience love concerning a special woman does not mean I should argue that others should love her.

Why do I need to validate your God experience? Why does God need to be believed in? Love for a woman has carried me through dark times, and love for a woman has inspired me to be a better person. I'm pretty sure faith in God can supply similar provisions for your esteem. But I fail to see how imposing belief on someone who needs evidence is going to do them any good any more than my insisting that others highly regard the object of my affections. If God exists, let him convince us.