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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm
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(November 12, 2018 at 5:04 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 12, 2018 at 4:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It might be helpful for you to lay out what -would- be a valid explanation for all the pain and suffering in the world? If the only category you can find here..that you would accept, are the articles of your faith..then you are not actually looking for any explanation of all the pain in suffering in the world, and no explanation of all the pain in suffering in the world would be valid to you unless it were a restatement of the articles of your faith.
Meanwhile, both pain and suffering are explicable, and by natural means. Whatever plans your meat fairy might have to use pain and suffering on us in it's soul making experiment is extraneous to that...and it's plan is only working (if it exists at all, and if it has a plan, and if it is working) because of our very natural ability to experience pain...and suffering. If we didn't possess this natural ability, then no amount of scheming on the part of meat fairy would produce the intended effect.
-and there's still the issue of that baby getting eaten by a vulture..having learned nothing...and the issue of the god who watches it happen and does nothing, because it has no concept of kindness, compassion, or generosity.
After -aaaaaaaaallll- of that...there's the issue of this "reward". Dafuq? If I was interested in eternity I wouldn't be interested in eternity in some other dimensions paradise. I'll just stay right here, in my home, with everyone I know and love. I'm unconcerned about "deserving" whatever this pain and suffering inflicting sociopathic fairy is doling out to all the folks who licks it's hole and call it their soulmate....lol? It can fuck right off, and remember to close the door..all the bought air is getting out!
I determined my explanation for pain and suffering by deciding on the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe. The fact that over a billion people in the world think so too was just an added bonus. So, rather than actually investigate pain or suffering or their causes, you made yet another illogical leap into hilarity?
Perhaps you should have considered, even in that..and at least for a moment, that the universe is not fair or just? Just as you may have at least taken a second to consider that there may be no natural force that gives a shit about your love, sex drive, and survival? We can all see that you very much wish for a universe that is fair or just, and for some force to give a shit about you, and your sex drive, and your survival...and ofc for some state of affairs where you get to live in lala dimension forever and ever for being a good little girl who suffered just the way her boyfriend wanted her to.....but...I want you to try an experiment for me.
Hold out both of your hands. Wish into one of them. Shit into the other.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm
![[Image: icon_quote.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.trackie.com%2Ftrack-and-field%2Fimg%2Flayout%2Ficon_quote.jpg) Astreja:
No, I think it's considerably more likely (as in 0.999... probability) that our "selves" are just constructs of our physical brains and automatically cease to exist at the moment of brain death. As I see it, my real eternal destiny is for the molecules in my body to wander off and become other things, none of which have any particular connection to the "me" that I am currently aware of.
And I'm fine with that destiny.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm
(November 12, 2018 at 5:05 pm)Astreja Wrote: (November 12, 2018 at 4:55 pm)Astreja Wrote: Ew. That's no incentive for me to become a better person -- the idea of being trapped anywhere for eternity utterly horrifies me.
(November 12, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Everena Wrote: Well then don't be one and keep coming back here for thousands of lifetimes until you do feel like being one. It's all up to you. We are all god and the masters of our own destiny. We are just imperfect gods, striving for perfection at different rates of speed.
No, I think it's considerably more likely (as in 0.999... probability) that our "selves" are just constructs of our physical brains and automatically cease to exist at the moment of brain death. As I see it, my real eternal destiny is for the molecules in my body to wander off and become other things, none of which have any particular connection to the "me" that I am currently aware of.
And I'm fine with that destiny. You should believe whatever makes the most sense to you and if that makes sense to you, so be it.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:12 pm
No one:
What about other planets? What makes the third stone from the sun so special?
Everena:
It's where we live.
That's why it's special? Because humans dwell there? What makes humans so freakin' special?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:12 pm
(November 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Everena Wrote: You should believe whatever makes the most sense to you and if that makes sense to you, so be it.
"Should" believe? No, that makes it sound like a voluntary thing. "Do" believe and "do not" believe are more accurate.
I can't make myself believe things that I see as ridiculous, and can't make myself not believe things that appear inevitable.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:13 pm
(November 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 12, 2018 at 5:04 pm)Everena Wrote: I determined my explanation for pain and suffering by deciding on the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe. The fact that over a billion people in the world think so too was just an added bonus. So, rather than actually investigate pain or suffering or their causes, you made yet another illogical leap into hilarity?
Perhaps you should have considered, even in that..at least for a monemt, that the universe is not fair or just..just as you may have at least taken a second to consider that there may be no natural force that gives a shit about your love, sex drive, and survival?
We only suffer through pain that we have intentionally caused to others in this life or in past lives, and especially to our other half/soulmate since they are the ones we can damage the most. I refuse to believe in an unfair and unjust cold, cruel universe theory. Sorry, that explanation will never make any sense to me.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:16 pm
I was once married to someone who saw me as his soulmate.
I divorced him. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. I literally have not even spoken to him in nearly 20 years.
Soulmates are a ridiculous concept, tying two sentient beings together for eternity.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:17 pm
(November 12, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Astreja Wrote: (November 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Everena Wrote: You should believe whatever makes the most sense to you and if that makes sense to you, so be it.
"Should" believe? No, that makes it sound like a voluntary thing. "Do" believe and "do not" believe are more accurate.
I can't make myself believe things that I see as ridiculous, and can't make myself not believe things that appear inevitable.
And in your worldview, life existing after death seems ridiculous. Ok, well I accept that. My dad felt the same way for many, many years and has just now as he is in his 70s started to consider otherwise.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:19 pm
(November 12, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Astreja Wrote: (November 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Everena Wrote: You should believe whatever makes the most sense to you and if that makes sense to you, so be it.
"Should" believe? No, that makes it sound like a voluntary thing. "Do" believe and "do not" believe are more accurate.
I can't make myself believe things that I see as ridiculous, and can't make myself not believe things that appear inevitable.
Do or do not, there is no should.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 12, 2018 at 5:22 pm
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