DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Astreja]

The style and the arguments seem too different for a sock. Perhaps they know each other from some other forum.

[The Grand Nudger]

There is a reason that farmers were amongst the first groups to accept evolution, you know.  They were practising what Terry Pratchett termed "unnatural selection" for thousands of years.

Def could have been more convenient if meat fairy really was a caterer.  Would have saved us alot of time, effort, and pointless death.

[Everena]

If there was no force that cared about us having a sex drive, we wouldn't have one.

Riiiiiight, and the rain only falls because the raingod cares about it.

If there was no force that provided food for the 7.8 million different species of life on this planet, we would all be dead.

Back to this silly shit?  The 7.8 million different species of life on this planet are food for each other.  What "force" do you think is out there making doggy bags and sampler plates?

So, just for a recap.  You have no idea why pain and suffering exist, you wish the universe were just even though you observe that it is not, and you think that god is a caterer...in addition to being a bit of a perv.

Your boyfriend sounds like a real piece of work.  Imma pass on that date.

Why are you ignoring the main food source for life on this planet? Is it really that important to you to avoid the actual facts?  We do not just eat animals. and we don't even need to eat animals and herbivores eat no meat at all. And there is no way we would just magically have a sex drive either or even the ability to procreate without higher intelligence being involved in creation. And the complex code of DNA did not just mysteriously create itself out of nothing. Who do u think you're kidding? Only yourself.

[The Grand Nudger]

Riiiiiight, and the rain only falls because the raingod cares about it.

Back to this silly shit?  The 7.8 million different species of life on this planet are food for each other.  What "force" do you think is out there making doggy bags and sampler plates?

So, just for a recap.  You have no idea why pain and suffering exist, you wish the universe were just even though you observe that it is not, and you think that god is a caterer...in addition to being a bit of a perv.

Your boyfriend sounds like a real piece of work.  Imma pass on that date.

Why are you ignoring the main food source for life on this planet? Is it really that important to you to avoid the actual facts?  We do not just eat animals. and we don't even need to eat animals and herbivores eat no meat at all. And there is no way we would just magically have a sex drive either or even the ability to procreate without higher intelligence being involved in creation. And the complex code of DNA did not just mysteriously create itself out of nothing. Who do u think you're kidding? Only yourself.

Ev, plants are also alive - and you even think that they're somehow conscious..or is that only the paramecium?  Life is consuming life on this rock.  It's a massive orgy of death.  Most of everything alive will be eaten alive (and plenty of what's eaten alive will be eaten alive asshole first).  There is no need for a cosmic caterer. Do you understand?

I don't think that we "magically" have a sex drive, either. I don't think that dna created itself, nor do I think that it was constructed out of nothing.

I do think...however, that you're a complete moron. I'm ready for you to change my mind about that at your earliest convenience.

[Pat Mustard]

The style and the arguments seem too different for a sock.  Perhaps they know each other from some other forum.

In that case, I dub Evarena Mrs Inquisition!

[Everena]

[Astreja]

(reads article quote)

"Tantalizing but inconclusive results." "...No one has ever managed to coax an entire living organism... into displaying quantum effects such as entanglement or superposition."

Sounds like "quantum biology" is still very much in the hypothesis stage. I'm not expecting to see anything from the field, as quantum physics appears to confine itself to much smaller scales than biological organisms, principally subatomic particles.

(In fact, since biological organisms contain a large number of atoms, it's possible that any quantum effects will just cancel out from atom to atom.)

[The Grand Nudger]

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Ev, plants are also alive - and you even think that they're somehow conscious..or is that only the paramecium?  Life is consuming life on this rock.  It's a massive orgy of death.  Most of everything alive will be eaten alive (and plenty of what's eaten alive will be eaten alive asshole first).  There is no need for a cosmic caterer.  Do you understand?

I don't think that we "magically" have a sex drive, either.  I don't think that dna created itself, nor do I think that it was constructed out of nothing.  

I do think...however, that you're a complete moron.  I'm ready for you to change my mind about that at your earliest convenience.

No one thinks plants are conscious. Paramecium have a sex life. Dude, let it go. You lost the food argument.

Complete moron.

Some people do think plants are conscious (I'm a little surprised you don't) plants also have a sex life (and having a sex life is what consciousness means to you..?)....and neither of these two things matters in the slightest to why your absurd beliefs about a catering meat fairy are breathtakingly ignorant.

If these are the reasons for your belief..if you need these things to be true for your beliefs to be anything other than false....then you have a serious problem.

[unfogged]

Why would we have a sex drive and want to procreate? Just for no reason?

We have a sex drive because it was stumbled into during the evolutionary process and it had positive effect for species survival. You keep assuming there is an intent behind everything. There's no justification or need for that.

Shit happens, then you die. The trick is to make the most of it while you can because there's no good reason to believe there's anything more. Wasting your life dreaming about a fantasy world of gumdrops and unicorns after death is just sad.

That is not a valid explanation for all the pain and suffering that exists in this world.

Actually, it is once you drop the unfounded assumption that there is intent behind events.

We have a goal to acheive here of becoming better people so we can be rewarded with eternity in paradise. As you know though, you can do anything you darn well please.

That is simply inane. A god that wanted beings to live an eternty in paradise could just create that. Setting up a "test" that lasts less than 100 years and providing no unambiguous instructions and considerable evidence that there is NO afterlife would be the work of an insane monster.

I determined my explanation for pain and suffering by deciding on the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe. The fact that over a billion people in the world think so too was just an added bonus.

The idea that you want this to be a fair and just universe has zero bearing on whether or not it is a fair and just universe. The evidence all points to it being a wholly uncaring universe and your refusal to accept that is entirely your loss. You can accept it and work to make things better now or reject it and continue living in your fantasy world along with everybody else who is unwilling to face reality as it is.

You should believe whatever makes the most sense to you and if that makes sense to you, so be it.

You should believe whatever the actual evidence supports, not what makes you feel good.

We only suffer through pain that we have intentionally caused to others in this life or in past lives, and especially to our other half/soulmate since they are the ones we can damage the most.

There's zero credible evidence of past lives.

I refuse to believe in an unfair and unjust cold, cruel universe theory. Sorry, that explanation will never make any sense to me.

"So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You’d better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can’t rearrange the universe." -- Isaac Asimov

[The Grand Nudger]

I refuse to believe that my wife doesn't have beer flavored nipples that dispense bourbon!