(November 13, 2018 at 12:43 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 11:29 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Total bullshit. 
"Eternally begotten of the father" ... he never gave up being god, when he took on human form, (according to Christian theology). 
A "son of god" for a Jew, simply meant he was "righteous". 
Jesus NEVER claimed to be Yahweh ... he "prayed" to him.

Oh well, back to Sunday School for you.

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Your Jesus said that "time" would come in the generation of those who stood around him. 
It's all total bullshit. 
Jesus never existed. 

http://jesusneverexisted.com/

He was speaking of the destruction of the temple in those verses you are referencing.  It was a prophecy.

Matthew 16:28
""Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Wrong again. He said exactly what he expected. "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" is NOT the temple. 

The prophecy did not happen. 

Quote:He was speaking of the destruction of the temple in those verses you are referencing.  It was a prophecy.

Only if you are high

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(November 13, 2018 at 12:46 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 12:43 am)CDF47 Wrote: He was speaking of the destruction of the temple in those verses you are referencing.  It was a prophecy.

Matthew 16:28
""Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Wrong again. He said exactly what he expected. "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" is NOT the temple. 

The prophecy did not happen. 

Trust me he's good at twisting total fail into a pretend victory

(November 13, 2018 at 12:47 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:He was speaking of the destruction of the temple in those verses you are referencing.  It was a prophecy.

Only if you are high

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(November 13, 2018 at 12:46 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Matthew 16:28
""Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Wrong again. He said exactly what he expected. "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" is NOT the temple. 

The prophecy did not happen. 

Trust me he's good at twisting total fail into a pretend victory

Looks like CDF and Everena have been playing...



Too bad for them (him? her?) that shitting on the board, knocking over the pieces and strutting around like you won something doesn't actually mean you won anything.

(November 13, 2018 at 12:46 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 12:43 am)CDF47 Wrote: He was speaking of the destruction of the temple in those verses you are referencing.  It was a prophecy.

Matthew 16:28
""Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Wrong again. He said exactly what he expected. "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" is NOT the temple. 

The prophecy did not happen. 

Soul sleep possible as the dead in Christ rise first.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Everena Wrote: Additionally true love with your soulmate/other half is the only thing in the whole world that really matters and to me is our whole reason for being. God is not even a close second. 

In regards to my experiences, just let it go. I know what I experienced, I am a huge skeptic of everything and this went well beyond any and all doubt for me or I would not be so sure of it. I had mutual/shared experiences verified on the spot (including the making love experience) and so many other signs that I have no doubts left at all and I am 100% sure that God and eternal life are truths. I however do not expect you to take my word for it. You need to have your own experiences in order to prove it to yourself beyond any doubt. Just please do not pretend that you know anything about what someone else has experienced because you don't.

So why are you here?

Because of God.

(November 13, 2018 at 1:00 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 12:46 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Matthew 16:28
""Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Wrong again. He said exactly what he expected. "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" is NOT the temple. 

The prophecy did not happen. 

Soul sleep possible as the dead in Christ rise first.

So... there is NO limit of your dishonesty ... 
"soul sleep' ... my ass.

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(November 13, 2018 at 2:23 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: So why are you here?

Because of God.

Your big energy ball ... you're here due to an energy ball ? 
You should consider stand-up.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:56 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: @Everena:

I'm a bit unclear about what you believe.  You say we are eternal, we reincarnate, and there is justice.  Do we continually run the circle of Samsara, suffering eternally, or is there some end in which all our suffering is justified and redeemed?  If there is, is that end the extinction of ourselves, or an eternal afterlife?  If it is an eternal afterlife, is it one of perpetual happiness, or will their be suffering, failure, and frustration in that afterlife?

I can of course only share with you what I believe to be true. I know God exists and that we have eternal life, but anything else I share are just simply my beliefs. I think we go through a series of lives here that are all challenges and specifically designed to help us become better and better as people. Any pain that we intentionally cause to others during these lives, we will suffer back. Any good we do, we will be rewarded for. The ultimate goal will be to achieve a godlke state of perfection so we are then deserving of an eternity in paradise. People will achieve it at different times depending on what they decide to do in each of their lives and how quickly they reach the goal. But everyone will get there, it is just a matter of how long it takes.

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(November 12, 2018 at 7:28 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Everena Wrote: Where are these theists that you can have productive conversations with? Any of them in this forum that can vouch for you?

They seem to be gone. And I don't think Drich will be vouching for me. (Not like I'll be vouching for him either.)

In response to your other post, I meant that you should educate yourself concerning the position of atheism/skepticism about God. I didn't mean to imply you were uneducated. I did say your logic was "horrid"... perhaps I could have been more constructive. But you ignored my earlier post where I took the time to explain exactly how your reasoning was fallacious and even provided a link giving more details. You were unphased by it. It's as if you don't care if your reasoning is sound. If a theist actually cares about logic, then that theist and I can use that as a foundation for our discourse.

If the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises, there is no use to making an argument in the first place. In future discussions with atheists, try to keep that in mind.

I hope you don't expect me to want to become an atheist, because if there is an extreme opposite of atheist, that would be me. I know why logic took you there though. I was raised by atheists and that is one of the reasons I feel comfortable having discussions with atheists. Your logic is faulty though and it is my opinion that you have been brainwashed by some fairly mean spirited folks who want you to fear death. By that I mean becoing extremely health conscious, thinking this is the only time you have. I just don't like it. There is something really off about it. I do not think the people who publicly go out of their way to try to convince others to be atheists are very good people. You may not agree with that, but I really hope you are all very careful about who you are listeining to.

(November 13, 2018 at 12:43 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 11:29 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Total bullshit. 
"Eternally begotten of the father" ... he never gave up being god, when he took on human form, (according to Christian theology). 
A "son of god" for a Jew, simply meant he was "righteous". 
Jesus NEVER claimed to be Yahweh ... he "prayed" to him.

Oh well, back to Sunday School for you.

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Your Jesus said that "time" would come in the generation of those who stood around him. 
It's all total bullshit. 
Jesus never existed. 

http://jesusneverexisted.com/

He was speaking of the destruction of the temple in those verses you are referencing.  It was a prophecy.

No it was a post-hoc history pretending to be a prediction. If Jesus knew the future why didn't he "predict" anything after when the earliest gospel was written, the earliest possible date for Mark being after the temple was razed.

(November 12, 2018 at 5:59 pm)Wololo Wrote:

(November 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Everena Wrote: Adding billions of years to something does not all of a sudden make it possible. A complex code does not just come into existence from nothing.

We know that all that's needed to spur evolution is time and a changing environment.  Hell it took us less than ten thousand years to change this:



to this:



or this:



or even this:



There is a reason that farmers were amongst the first groups to accept evolution, you know.  They were practising what Terry Pratchett termed "unnatural selection" for thousands of years.

That's fantastic. No one is saying evolution is not true. We are saying the complex code of DNA did not create itself.

(November 13, 2018 at 2:57 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 5:59 pm)Wololo Wrote: We know that all that's needed to spur evolution is time and a changing environment.  Hell it took us less than ten thousand years to change this:



to this:



or this:



or even this:



There is a reason that farmers were amongst the first groups to accept evolution, you know.  They were practising what Terry Pratchett termed "unnatural selection" for thousands of years.

That's fantastic. No one is saying evolution is not true. We are saying the complex code of DNA did not create itself.

So you change the goalposts when your assertion is disproven. How very christian of you.

PS as both you and cdf are socks of each other I reported both of ye.