(November 13, 2018 at 12:30 pm)Everena Wrote: First of all,  I spent my youth in a program for gifted children with high intelligence and I have a college education. I don't have trouble understanding anything and I am not your sweetie you sexist jerk.

Smart people, people with peeners and vajayjays, are fully capable of believing and saying silly things. Neither your general intelligence nor your education have proven effective at keeping you from saying silly shit in this thread.

Quote:Evolution is a process that we discovered was happening (and the theory is still full of conjecture and speculation if you ever actually bother to delve into it)  Also, evolution is not the first cause of life, food, dna, or any drive that we devoloped during the process. It had to be a possibity initially in order for it to develop at all. Do you understand? 

Sure did, and because it is a possibility to selectively breed other organisms so that they became a suitable source of food for us, this comment adds no additional obstacle to what we know, in point of fact, was done..is continuing to be done, and had and has nothing to do with meat fairies.

Quote:Oh am I the moron? LMFAO

Hard yes.  That's what people who make consistently idiotic remarks get classified as, and if that's a problem for you then you might wan't to consider your own remarks more carefully.  It's pointless to put in all the work and then object to such a classification.

Quote:Some plants don't taste good to us.

-and if the metric of "plants taste good to us" is somehow taken to be indicative of the existence of a meat fairy, then plants which don't taste good to us would also be equally indicative that there is no meat fairy.  Neither of these things actually have any bearing on each other but since you've chosen to include them as the undeniable articles of your moronic faith - it's a problem you've created for yourself.  As mentioned above..you're putting in the work.

Quote:We are not the only life on this planet consuming plants in case you had not noticed. And animals could not have evolved to use the energy sources available. They would have needed an energy source the entire time in order to stay alive!

Animalia -didn't- evolve in the absence of a source of energy to sustain us.  There -was- an "energy source" at the time of our emergence..and like usual, it wasn't a meat fairy. If we couldn't have evolved to use the energy sources available..if this moronic statement were true, we wouldn't be here..just like so many other creatures who found themselves in that position and went extinct..and yet here we are.

Here we are, because we both could, did..and still can. Adaptations to grain and dairy are so recent that they haven't even made themselves uniform in the population (which is remarkable, considering the overall uniformity of our population otherwise)...and they may never do so.

If I were you..I would call up whatever diploma mill you Did Too! attend and demand my money back. You were given a substandard education, does that matter to you?

Everena, do you have a soulmate?

B.O.B.

(November 12, 2018 at 8:31 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 9:56 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Do you believe in never ending torture of sinners? And if yes, don't you think that eternal hell for finite crime is unfair?

There may be annihilation for many and torture for demons and the devil.

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(November 12, 2018 at 9:57 am)Khemikal Wrote: Ev thinks that an energy based meat fairy, which is her soul mate, created our flesh..but not our spirit.  What say you?

Everena: Do not make up lies about me you atheist fool. I believe God is a massive force of energy, bigger than this entire planet.

Additonally, it is very obvious that food in abundance would not exist on this planet along with all conscious life, to provide us energy and nutrients and also give us pleasure through tasting it,  unless higher intelligence was involved in the creation of it. You cannot write it off to just chance or luck and you cannot write DNA off to chance or luck either.

My soulmate is my other half and he is me and I am him and he is the person who I love beyond all else and will spend all eternity with. You have a soulmate/other half too as HARD as that may be for someone like you to believe. 

I believe the Lord of the Bible created man and our spirit based on Scripture.  He is not considered a soul mate in the Bible, rather He is referred to as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Three entities One God.

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(November 12, 2018 at 11:22 am)Everena Wrote: I don't see the point in living for a short period of time and then suffering and dying forever. God does not prolong lives. We are eternal beings inhabiting a fleshly body made from star dust and water. Also, eternal life is a commonly held belief by about 80-90% of the world.

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If it sounds awful, maybe you're not with your soulmate. Love is the best thing in the whole entire world.

It is true we are made of star dust.  Every element of our body including the iron in our blood.

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(November 12, 2018 at 11:35 am)Everena Wrote: It is very obvious. Logic is on our side 100%. They are willfully ignoring what is very clear.

I agree.

Quote:And animals could not have evolved to use the energy sources available. They would have needed an energy source the entire time in order to stay alive !

Can you say "dumber that a box of rocks" ?
Doh.
Of *course* they did ... evolution means CHANGE.
Their environment changed and the ones who could adapt to the change, survived.

She is *so* ignorant, she doesn't even get that with each of these gems of stupidity, she demonstrates that she has NO CLUE how natural selection works.

That has got to be one of the top ten stupidest things I have ever read.

Cant even operate the quote function.....lol.

(November 12, 2018 at 8:46 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: We are not blood and gut creatures. We have conscious self awareness, intelligence, emotions, attraction to the opposite sex, and a will to live.

Actually we most certainly are blood and gut creatures, that is obvious.  We also have conscious self awareness, intelligence, emotions and the other subjective states you named.  This is not an either/or issue.  

(November 12, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Everena Wrote: Maybe you will answer my question, since the other two atheists I asked couldn't. What force of nature would care if we had a sex drive and a will to live? The force of nothing with no intelligence?

We have them because those simple creatures which endured and evolved to become what we see today, though of course some organisms which never adopted sexuality have also endured since asexual recreation is also possible.  However those which recreate sexually enjoy the capacity to differentiate to better exploit opportunities afforded by the environment.  By all means go on thinking it is a gift of the great sky father if you like but surely you understand and would agree with this much.

Everena: I don't believe in a sky father. I believe God is a massive form of energy. Evolution is a man made term we invented to describe a process that we discovered was happening. The theory itself is still full of conjecture and speculation, if you ever bother to look at the actual science. Just to give you a more clear understanding of very basic biology, the process of evolution is not the first cause of life, food, or anything else that exists on this planet. In order for us to have a sex drive, and genitals and orgasms, the ability for that to come to be had to be there inititially. Do you understand or am I going over your HEAD?

But if you prefer to think this 'force' of yours would not be capable of constructing matter in such a way that the capacity for organic chemistry could emerge from its inorganic properties, that is your business.  I don't think any such force is required but I do think the capacity is present in the physicality of matter for life to emerge from its chemical properties.  My inability to prove that now is nothing by comparison with your progress in demonstrating there is any such force involved in the emergence of life.  
Everena: Yes, I know. You think it all magically appeared without the use of any intelligence, for no reason and with no purpose from nothing. And that is the kind of stuff that makes sense to someone like you.

(November 12, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Everena Wrote: And this disgusting slutty picture you posted looks nothing like me and no I have not seen the play.

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You sound offended.  If your reading of the site rules suggests to you that my mode of expression has violated  those rules you should report me.
Everena: I'm not a cop caller and I wasn't that offended. I find it much more offensive that you refuse to apply simple logic.

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(November 12, 2018 at 4:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It might be helpful for you to lay out what -would- be a valid explanation for all the pain and suffering in the world?  If the only category you can find here..that you would accept, are the articles of your faith..then you are not actually looking for any explanation of all the pain and suffering in the world, and no explanation of all the pain in suffering in the world would be valid to you unless it were a restatement of the articles of your faith.

But you have to hand it to her for challenging us to take responsibility for the pain and suffering in the world.  After all we're not the ones positing an all powerful, supremely loving force.  The lack of explanation isn't our problem, it's theirs.  Obviously.

There is pain and suffering for many reasons.  No force has shown it cares to stop it.

(November 13, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Cant even operate the quote function.....lol.

Yeah, but she can make the text bold.  How much more evidence do you need for her unsupported conjectures?

Quote:Everena: Do not make up lies about me you atheist fool. I believe God is a massive force of energy, bigger than this entire planet. 

...right, which you also think is a skin tailor and a caterer.  A meat fairy.  Holding you to account for your own idiotic statements is not even remotely close to making up lies about you..so I guess we can add "words, what are they, how do they work, and what do they mean?!?!?!?!?" to the list of things of which you are completely ignorant.

Quote:Additonally, it is very obvious that food in abundance would not exist on this planet along with all conscious life, to provide us energy and nutrients and also give us pleasure through tasting it,  unless higher intelligence was involved in the creation of it. You cannot write it off to just chance or luck and you cannot write DNA off to chance or luck either. 

It is not obvious that the above is true, in fact it is demonstrably false, and no one is writing off the heterotrophic relationships on this planet as luck, nor is anyone writing off dna as luck.

You need a better list of stupid things to say.

Quote:My soulmate is my other half and he is me and I am him and he is the person who I love beyond all else and will spend all eternity with. You have a soulmate/other half too as HARD as that may be for someone like you to believe. 

Yeah, I know, I married her, lol?  However, I don't see the point in even attempting to unwind the ball of crazy that just rolled off your fingertips and onto the boards, here..in this.  Nothing you've just said has any relevance whatsoever to your meat fairy beliefs...and you will be completely incapable of establishing the veracity of any of it.

Does it matter to you whether the things you say are true?
Does it matter to you whether you can present a lucid and consistent description of your beliefs?
Does it matter to you whether you understand your own beliefs?

(November 13, 2018 at 9:24 am)unfogged Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 3:10 am)Everena Wrote: It was stumbled into? Are you kidding? We have genitals and males and females can reproduce and you are seriously going to pretend that we just stumpled into our sex drive? Did we trip over something when we were drunk and stumple into it? I mean, come on!

And we have reproductive organs so obviously there is a very incredibly important intent behind everything. Wake up!!!!

Your utter lack of understanding about the process of natural selection and evolution is not an argument.
Everena: I understand evolution and natural selection far better than you do. It is a process fool, not a first cause of anything. The ability of have a sex drive and genitals had to be there inititially or it never would have happened!! What part of that is HARD for someone like you to understand? Perhaps read it twice and then retake high school level biology.



 Every post you make displays how completely ignorant you are of the sciences.  Random changes happen as organisms reproduce; natural selection filters the changes that enhance survival from those that hinder it.  We are not an intentional end product and trying to explain things by assuming that we are is just wrong.  Once you let go of that erroneous and incredibly arrogant assumption things make much more sense and don't require a magical overseer.

Quote:God did not create our true selves, we always have been and always will be. God created our flesh here. Obviously we are in serious need of improvement to deserving of  an eternal paradise and some much more than others.

Evidence please.  What would be the point of creating fleshbots that are "in serious need of improvement" to entrap pre-existing spritis in order to "test" them to see if they are worthy?  The gnostic ideas were dismissed as heretical nearly two thousand years ago.  You are behind the curve on this one.

Quote:I refuse to believe any unfair, unjust, cold, cruel world theory.

Good for you but you sound like a 4-year-old stamping her little feet and refusing to east her green beans.  When you start with what you want to be true your conclusions are worthless.

Quote:That is not true at all. There is a ton of credible evidence from Dr Ian Stevenson alone.

Only if you are incredibly gullible. There are many claims but nothing testable or verifiable.


"So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You’d better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can’t rearrange the universe." -- Isaac Asimov

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(November 13, 2018 at 2:05 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 9:24 am)unfogged Wrote: Your utter lack of understanding about the process of natural selection and evolution is not an argument.
Everena: I understand evolution and natural selection far better than you do. It is a process fool, not a first cause of anything. The ability of have a sex drive and genitals had to be there inititially or it never would have happened!! What part of that is HARD for someone like you to understand? Perhaps read it twice and then retake high school level biology.



 Every post you make displays how completely ignorant you are of the sciences.  Random changes happen as organisms reproduce; natural selection filters the changes that enhance survival from those that hinder it.  We are not an intentional end product and trying to explain things by assuming that we are is just wrong.  Once you let go of that erroneous and incredibly arrogant assumption things make much more sense and don't require a magical overseer.



Evidence please.  What would be the point of creating fleshbots that are "in serious need of improvement" to entrap pre-existing spritis in order to "test" them to see if they are worthy?  The gnostic ideas were dismissed as heretical nearly two thousand years ago.  You are behind the curve on this one.



Good for you but you sound like a 4-year-old stamping her little feet and refusing to east her green beans.  When you start with what you want to be true your conclusions are worthless.



Only if you are incredibly gullible. There are many claims but nothing testable or verifiable.
Everena: Wrong, he tested and verified and followed the scientific method.


"So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You’d better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can’t rearrange the universe." -- Isaac Asimov

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(November 13, 2018 at 2:59 am)Wololo Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 2:57 am)Everena Wrote: That's fantastic. No one is saying evolution is not true. We are saying the complex code of DNA did not create itself.

So you change the goalposts when your assertion is disproven. How very christian of you.

PS as both you and cdf are socks of each other I reported both of ye.

I am not a Christian and nothing has been disproven.