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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:24 pm
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(November 13, 2018 at 4:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 13, 2018 at 4:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote: So..it bullshits you, iow, lol? Show a single grain of quranic wisdom in this matter.
Well for one, it put's the food and that kind of stuff with relationship to the families of the reminders and how the Messengers were appointed, and when it talks about food in 16th Surah, it also talks about how mules, horses, etc were all made for us to have authority over. Suspicion confirmed, magic book bullshitted you.
Quote:And it mentions in that category alcohol in it's benefits way (the first Surah about it, didn't condemn it's evil and compare that to it's benefits, but just mentioned it as well as a favor from God).
Bullshitted you again.
Quote:And so this a serious hint, God is saying, he has per his wisdom given us control over much of what is on earth, including animals, and it was him who did so, and not us without him.
Your god wasn't even invented until 600 ad. We've been farming and domesticating animals for ten thousand years. Real swell of him to "give authority" over shit we were already thoroughly in control of..and shit that he hadn't lifted a finger to help us with, shit that he -allegedly- dropped us onto this planet needing..but not possessing.
Every single person that ever died of starvation before or after we figured this stuff out was actively killed by your god...if your god exists. This mountain of natural evil is entirely of it's own design and choosing..and to add insult to injury, it won't even accept responsibility for it's chosen actions..preferring instead to lie to you.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:25 pm
(November 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Everena Wrote:
(November 13, 2018 at 9:53 am)wyzas Wrote: Pretty sad that you're so insecure and need to invent fantasy explanations to feel comfortable and deal with your life.
Get an education soon.
In what, wish fulfillment fantasy like you? No thanks, that's for the delusional.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:35 pm
(November 13, 2018 at 9:24 am)unfogged Wrote: (November 13, 2018 at 3:10 am)Everena Wrote: It was stumbled into? Are you kidding? We have genitals and males and females can reproduce and you are seriously going to pretend that we just stumpled into our sex drive? Did we trip over something when we were drunk and stumple into it? I mean, come on!
And we have reproductive organs so obviously there is a very incredibly important intent behind everything. Wake up!!!!
Your utter lack of understanding about the process of natural selection and evolution is not an argument. Everena: I am not the one having a problem understanding. You pretending it explains everything shows how little you understand.
Every post you make displays how completely ignorant you are of the sciences. Everena: I am not ignorant and I am not the one pretending evolution is a first cause. Get over it. The first cause had to be intelligent period.
Random changes happen as organisms reproduce; Everena: The changes were not random, just like the way DNA controls our genes with the recently discovered second language is not random. Read and learn something new today.
https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/12/scientists-discover-double-meaning-in-genetic-code/
natural selection filters the changes that enhance survival from those that hinder it.
Everena: Define natural in that context.
We are not an intentional end product and trying to explain things by assuming that we are is just wrong. Once you let go of that erroneous and incredibly arrogant assumption things make much more sense and don't require a magical overseer.
Everena: We do not believe in magic, you do. We realize higher intelligence was necessary for the creation of this universe. You are the ones pretending it all just magically appeared.
Quote:God did not create our true selves, we always have been and always will be. God created our flesh here. Obviously we are in serious need of improvement to deserving of an eternal paradise and some much more than others.
Evidence please. What would be the point of creating fleshbots that are "in serious need of improvement" to entrap pre-existing spritis in order to "test" them to see if they are worthy? The gnostic ideas were dismissed as heretical nearly two thousand years ago. You are behind the curve on this one.
Quote:I refuse to believe any unfair, unjust, cold, cruel world theory.
Good for you but you sound like a 4-year-old stamping her little feet and refusing to east her green beans. When you start with what you want to be true your conclusions are worthless.
Quote:That is not true at all. There is a ton of credible evidence from Dr Ian Stevenson alone.
Only if you are incredibly gullible. There are many claims but nothing testable or verifiable.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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(November 13, 2018 at 4:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 13, 2018 at 4:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
Well for one, it put's the food and that kind of stuff with relationship to the families of the reminders and how the Messengers were appointed, and when it talks about food in 16th Surah, it also talks about how mules, horses, etc were all made for us to have authority over. Suspicion confirmed, magic book bullshitted you.
Quote:And it mentions in that category alcohol in it's benefits way (the first Surah about it, didn't condemn it's evil and compare that to it's benefits, but just mentioned it as well as a favor from God).
Bullshitted you again.
Quote:And so this a serious hint, God is saying, he has per his wisdom given us control over much of what is on earth, including animals, and it was him who did so, and not us without him.
Your god wasn't even invented until 600 ad. We've been farming and domesticating animals for ten thousand years. Real swell of him to "give authority" over shit we were already thoroughly in control of..and shit that he hadn't lifted a finger to help us with, shit that he -allegedly- dropped us onto this planet needing..but not possessing.
Every single person that ever died of starvation before or after we figured this stuff out was actively killed by your god...if your god exists. This mountain of natural evil is entirely of it's own design and choosing..and to add insult to injury, it won't even accept responsibility for it's chosen actions..preferring instead to lie to you.
Allah akbar!
God sent Prophets from the start and they been with us from the start, and they only recently ended with Mohammad but their authority and position of leadership continued with his successors!
The point is God is saying is it's with his guidance and not without it, that we achieved all these things!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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(November 13, 2018 at 3:40 pm)Everena Wrote: What the first cause of anything is other than species is also irrelevant to evolution, which explains what is happening to populations of organisms once they exist. Totally false. No scientist agrees with that rubbhish.
Every species or organism EVOLVED from a prior organism, (that's why it's called "evolution" sweetie).
Apparently you are ignorant of the MOST BASIC concepts about the subject.
The only reason they exist, is because they evolved from something else, (which is proven by DNA), and the PROCESS is what Evolution studies.
https://www.evogeneao.com/learn/tree-of-life
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:39 pm
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(November 13, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 13, 2018 at 2:05 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: I understand evolution and natural selection far better than you do. It is a process fool, not a first cause of anything. The ability of have a sex drive and genitals had to be there inititially or it never would have happened!! What part of that is HARD for someone like you to understand? Perhaps read it twice and then retake high school level biology.
Neither sex drives nor genitalia were present at the outset of life (or for quite some time thereafter). They simply weren't required. In this, both things are very much like your meat fairy..though, unlike your meat fairy..both did evolve and do now exist.
Everena: They weren't required but the capacity for them to exist WAS required
(November 13, 2018 at 2:18 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (November 13, 2018 at 2:16 pm)Everena Wrote: I don't have to pretend. I received A's in biology in high school and college. I doubt you even went to college and your faulty understanding of it is not my problem.
Oh well if we're arguing from authority.
I have a masters in evolutionary & adaptive systems. And also a PhD that made heavy use of artificial evolution.
You're talking shite.
Everena: You have a Phd in nothing if you are pretending that evolution was the first cause of life, food, or anything that exists on this planet.
(November 13, 2018 at 2:34 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Typical apologist evasion. I didn't ask you for your opinion or interpretation of the article. I asked you to quote the relevant passage(s) "....for proving the concept of eternal life when combined with the multiverse theory from quantum mechanics."
You're an idiot. Why would I quote something that has nothing to do with I stated. If you want to learn more about superposition and the multiverse theories, then look it up yourself. It's common knowledge.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:48 pm
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(November 13, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Everena Wrote: Quote:And neither are you fool, because we were not there and no one knows how the genetic process arose. It obviously required higher intelligence though and to pretend otherwise is to be willfully illogical.
The SCIENCE (of which you are totally ignorant ... thus are incompetent to comment on) is well along on figuring out multiple pathways which life could have arisen. Since you know nothing about biochemistry, you can neither appreciate nor comment on the work that Nobel laureates have done in the field.
Quote:Everena: Yes 93% of the world is crazy and you atheist morons who refuse to apply simple logic are the only sane ones. Sure.
The article you posted does not say that, idiot. Yet here you are, wasting hour after hour with us morons. You *that* bored with your life ?
(November 13, 2018 at 3:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 13, 2018 at 3:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You think that pointing out that some nutter who believed he talked to angels and thought that the sun set in a muddy pool followed said advice makes it good advice?
News alert!
I know it won't convince you, it will perhaps help, the believer in God in this thread challenging you guys!
The only thing it has done so far, is convince people reading this tripe, that they're even vastly more uninformed and stupid than anyone could imagine.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:54 pm
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:55 pm
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LMAO. They knew about it, and various elements of it had been proven LONG before that.
More evidence. She is a snake-oil salesman, masquerading as an idiot. 2012. LOLOLOL
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 13, 2018 at 4:59 pm
(November 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Everena Wrote: So what! I don't even like bananas and there are about a zillion other foods besides bananas.
Wait, so you're saying that all foods that you personally like were designed for you.
But not food that other people like.
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