(November 14, 2018 at 7:34 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 7:25 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Get lost bitch. The information is available to anyone with a 5th Grade education.
If you believe something, then it must be wrong.

Everena: Oh sweetie, are you sad that I am right again and you are wrong again? Why don't you go snuggle up with a plant and maybe you'll feel better.

---

(November 14, 2018 at 7:34 pm)Joods Wrote: You didn't specify that it had to be anything other than a species. You aren't here for meaningful dialog. You are here to troll and I reported you for it. Fuck off.

Everena: I did already stated it earlier, before anyone posted anything. All they have is some plants and germs. Sorry, not convinced.

So...demonstrating that speciation occurs isn’t enough to convince you that speciation can occur, lol?  That’s weird.

(November 14, 2018 at 7:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 7:03 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: So show me one where the new species was something they could not mate with and I'll believe you.

You have already been presented with more than one example.  You can address any of them, as I keep telling you, at your own leisure.  
Everena: No, you have nothing but plants and germs, just as I said before.

Quote:Everena: False. They are the most important differences and are what make us so dramatically different from chimps in literally millions of ways.

-and yet all of that difference comes down to just a tiny bit of genetic variance. 
Everena: Nope, not tiny. Hundreds of millions of differences that we have disconvered so far.

Amazing, isn't it.  The differences between people, just as vast (and perhaps even more so) come down to even less genetic variance.  

Quote:Everena: It was a publicity stunt and we share only certain types of genes with some bugs and fruit, like 50% of disease causing genes and 85% of protein coding genes but only 50% of non-coding genes with mice, for example. That does not make us fruit or bugs or mice.

I'd hardly call genetics a publicity stunt.  No one has told you that we are fruit, or bugs, or mice - so I;m not sure what the relevance of that could be?

(November 14, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Everena Wrote: I am already the diamond. You're the turds and good luck turds.

If you're already a soul diamond..then why are you still here instead of in that other dimension with your soulmate..and what..then, is all the pain and suffering in this universe for? 
Everena: I'm gonna go with no comment on that one.
You're making a farce of your own beliefs, which isn't fair to me...because that totally robs it of all the fun.  
Everena: Believe whatever you want to believe. The truth will remain the same.

Quote:Everena: Not friggin plants. actual species with conscious life.

There are many actual species of plants.  That they are not conscious (and..really, you think that paramecium -are- so this is just another rabbit hole) is irrelevant.  
Everena: Plants are not conscious and paramecium appear to be conscious.

(November 14, 2018 at 7:30 pm)Everena Wrote:  Everena: NOPE. Plants are not conscious life. Conscious life is us and the animals on this planet who have eyes, ears, noses, legs, genitals and brains.

Paramecium don't have that stuff..................so?
Everena: They do appear to be conscious life. Read about them. Are they definitely consciuos? We don't know but they are more conscious than plants.

My pet paramecium, (Pete) ... yup Pete the paramecium, he's very intelligent.
He only eats Tasty Plants delivered by Whole Paramecium Foods, designed by Jebus, the paramecium god.

(November 14, 2018 at 7:46 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: No, you have nothing but plants and germs, just as I said before.

Not only is this untrue, it wouldn;t matter if it were..since it would still be multiple observed instances of speciation, which is what you contended we did not have, what you asked for, and what you received.

Most people bitch a whole lot less when they get what they want.   What most people do is important to you...right?

Quote:Everena: Nope, not tiny. Hundreds of millions of differences that we have disconvered so far.

-again..a large number in a sea of even larger numbers just isn't that big.  You are a great ape.  The other great apes are your closest surviving relatives on this meat grinding rock.    

Quote:Everena: I'm gonna go with no comment on that one.

You should have gone with no comment from the outset, lol.  It would have been an improvement.  As it stands, there is literally no part of any of your beliefs about gods, the universe, or evolutionary biology which aren't at odds with themselves...and your response for this is that you have no response.

Quote:Everena: Believe whatever you want to believe. The truth will remain the same.

As has been made painstakingly aware to you in this thread, yes.  

Quote:Everena: Plants are not conscious and paramecium appear to be conscious.

You might want to look into that one again.

Quote:Everena: They do appear to be conscious life. Read about them. Are they definitely consciuos? We don't know but they are more conscious than plants.

Too bad, you had a very specific list, paramecium fail to meet those standards, your own standards.  They now serve as yet another example of senseless waffling on every portion of your fact-free worldview.

Line by line, Ev. Day in, day out. Meat fairy may have made me specifically to improve the souls of shitters like you. It's worth considering. I'm so well skin suited...that I can even format your garbage -and- respond faster than you can come up with some new stupid thing to say poorly. Can't have happened by chance, no way to write it off as luck.

Eveies position on evolution in a nut shell

---

(November 14, 2018 at 7:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 7:46 pm)Everena Wrote: Not only is this untrue, it wouldn;t matter if it were..since it would still be multiple observed instances of speciation, which is what you contended we did not have, what you asked for, and what you received.

Most people bitch a whole lot less when they get what they want.   What most people do is important to you...right?

-again..a large number in a sea of even larger numbers just isn't that big.  You are a great ape.  The other great apes are your closest surviving relatives on this meat grinding rock.    

You should have gone with no comment from the outset, lol.  It would have been an improvement.  As it stands, there is literally no part of any of your beliefs about gods, the universe, or evolutionary biology which aren't at odds with themselves...and your response for this is that you have no response.



As has been made painstakingly aware to you in this thread, yes.  

You might want to look into that one again.

Too bad, you had a very specific list, paramecium fail to meet those standards, your own standards.  They now serve as yet another example of your senseless waffling on every portion of your worldview.

Indeed evolution doesn't obey her standards

What a sad specimen Everena is. I'm imagining so many possibilities that one can only hope that just a couple of them are right, because if they coexisted in the same person... *shudder*

For starters I'm seeing malignant narcissism. The moment someone challenges her, she goes ballistic with insults.

I'm also picking up family-of-origin issues, possibly abandonment or some other abuse, which would explain her obsession with "93%" (as well as providing an etiology for the narcissism, which is "set" in early childhood). She would apparently rather be in a big crowd of wrong than a tiny little group of right, which suggests that she values companionship over truth.

I can't judge how truthful she is, but if her thinking on evolution accurately reflects her biology education it was probably the ACE homeschool curriculum or some other program contaminated with religion. I'd wager it was not a mainstream public university, assuming that she really does have a post-secondary education and isn't bullshitting us.

O universe! If I *ever* end up thinking and speaking like Everena, just fucking kill me, 'kay?

(November 14, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Astreja Wrote: What a sad specimen Everena is.  I'm imagining so many possibilities that one can only hope that just a couple of them are right, because if they coexisted in the same person... *shudder*

For starters I'm seeing malignant narcissism.  The moment someone challenges her, she goes ballistic with insults.  

I'm also picking up family-of-origin issues, possibly abandonment or some other abuse, which would explain her obsession with "93%" (as well as providing an etiology for the narcissism, which is "set" in early childhood).  She would apparently rather be in a big crowd of wrong than a tiny little group of right, which suggests that she values companionship over truth.

I can't judge how truthful she is, but if her thinking on evolution accurately reflects her biology education it was probably the ACE homeschool curriculum or some other program contaminated with religion.  I'd wager it was not a mainstream public university, assuming that she really does have a post-secondary education and isn't bullshitting us.

O universe!  If I *ever* end up thinking and speaking like Everena, just fucking kill me, 'kay?

Yup her comments show a definite narcissism and indeed the truth is a lonely place

Ive seen the title of this thread so many times that it’s making me not want to check in on this website anymore

AFAIK the only way to deal with a narcissist is to cut off their attention supply.

I propose something radical: That we just talk about DNA, in strictly scientific terms (a round of peer-reviewed studies for the house, barkeep!) and put both Everena and CDF on ignore.

(And perhaps split the thread somewhere around here into Part 1 and Part 2, and send Part 1 to R'lyeh?)

(November 14, 2018 at 8:18 pm)Astreja Wrote: AFAIK the only way to deal with a narcissist is to cut off their attention supply.

I propose something radical:  That we just talk about DNA, in strictly scientific terms (a round of peer-reviewed studies for the house, barkeep!) and put both Everena and CDF on ignore.

(And perhaps split the thread somewhere around here into Part 1 and Part 2, and send Part 1 to Rl'yeh?)

Good idea let's see if the mods agree .