Not mine to prove Cdf/Everena. You're the one making baseless claims here.

(November 16, 2018 at 2:47 pm)Joods Wrote: Not mine to prove Cdf/Everena. You're the one making baseless claims here.

Everena is CDF second account?

(November 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: @Everena keep your personal experience testimony to yourself, is my advice.  Or if you are to share, to someone you trust and know won't treat you like a deceiving liar after.

Why would this be necessary?

(November 15, 2018 at 7:48 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I wonder how Everena accounts for ring species. Or if she even knows what those are.

In case she doesn't I can help her out.

The ringed species were the dwarves, elves, men and whatever that Sauron character was. But each species got a different number of rings and the one Sauron had was the most powerful. You're welcome.

(November 15, 2018 at 5:55 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(November 15, 2018 at 1:44 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: I read the findings about the whale and what they think it means. It's a straight up guess. My guess is just as good.
That's funny you brought up laryngeal nerve 
The old argument used to be- Why do we have an appendix? Now we know the appendix stores good bacteria and repopulates the digestive system after an illness in order to keep us healthy. 
As for the recurrent laryngeal nerve, I'm sure we will discover that there is actually a good reason for the path it takes at some point in the future. There are of course already numerous papers from doctors on the web explaining  why the design is actually better.  Here's an article discussing both sides of this argument    https://evolutionnews.org/2010/10/the_re...al_nerve_/

The point is that the path the recurrent laryngeal nerve takes is highly compatible/explicable with the theory of evolution and is very questionable given intelligent design (specifically by a perfect designer). It's not just about functioning.

Everena: It is not even a little bit questionable that there was an intelligent designer. It is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have happened without any intelligence. Who do you think you're kidding?


Now my next question:
Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes. Our evolutionary cousins, the non-human apes, have 24 pairs. Fair enough. But here's the kicker: it turns out one of our chromosomes (chromosome 2) is a fusion of two chromosomes found in those other apes. What gives?

Everena: According to microbiology, that is just a hypothesis  http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm  (which means it could be proven wrong tomorrow) In other words, they just really think so.  

(November 16, 2018 at 2:50 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 2:47 pm)Joods Wrote: Not mine to prove Cdf/Everena. You're the one making baseless claims here.

Everena is CDF second account?

Don't know don't care. It seems awfully suspicious that he leaves and she comes in. Also the second one was notoriously putting her name in all her own posts, something she's not doing consistently like she was before. Best to just stick with one account so the personas don't get mixed up.

(November 16, 2018 at 2:47 pm)Everena Wrote: Yes tautological and it absolutely requires an intelligent agent.

A baseless assertion, with all evidence to the contrary.

For whatever reason, if the meat fairy exists, it decided to create things in precisely such a way that it's participation would not be required , and..additionally, so that any participation on it's part would be undetectable.

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The word 'intelligent' is ambiguous. In common language, it connotes exceptional intelligence, but I gather you are using it in its most basic sense of being capable of behavior, including machine-like intelligence.

Everena: No, machines do not have intelligence of any kind.

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: All life is intelligent in the sense that it can have an automatic reaction to stimuli.
Computers and biological viruses can do the same, even though they aren't, strictly speaking, alive.

Everena: No they can't. They are programmed by conscious and intelligent people or they would do nothing.

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The way you phrased your initial assertion that intelligence is required for life to exist seemed to heavily imply that you were talking about the godlike intelligence of a creator deity, not the perishable and very limited intelligence common to bacteria and humans.

Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

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(November 15, 2018 at 6:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 15, 2018 at 5:55 pm)Grandizer Wrote: The point is that the path the recurrent laryngeal nerve takes is highly compatible/explicable with the theory of evolution and is very questionable given intelligent design (specifically by a perfect designer). It's not just about functioning.

Now my next question:
Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes. Our evolutionary cousins, the non-human apes, have 24 pairs. Fair enough. But here's the kicker: it turns out one of our chromosomes (chromosome 2) is a fusion of two chromosomes found in those other apes. What gives?

God designed us like that, obv.  Weird that god needed to create DNA, isn’t it? 😏 I mean, why isn’t everything in existence consisting of one homogeneous, irreducible, magical substance?

Everena: We don't believe in magic, you do. We believe in higher intelligence. You think this all magically appeared by itself.

(November 16, 2018 at 3:07 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The word 'intelligent' is ambiguous. In common language, it connotes exceptional intelligence, but I gather you are using it in its most basic sense of being capable of behavior, including machine-like intelligence.

Everena: No, machines do not have intelligence of any kind.

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: All life is intelligent in the sense that it can have an automatic reaction to stimuli.
Computers and biological viruses can do the same, even though they aren't, strictly speaking, alive.

Everena: No they can't. They are programmed by conscious and intelligent people or they would do nothing.

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The way you phrased your initial assertion that intelligence is required for life to exist seemed to heavily imply that you were talking about the godlike intelligence of a creator deity, not the perishable and very limited intelligence common to bacteria and humans.

Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

Kudos for correctly quoting a post throughout the entirety of your reply. Well done. If you're consistent, you'll no longer need to preface your words with your name.

(November 16, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 3:07 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: No, machines do not have intelligence of any kind.


Everena: No they can't. They are programmed by conscious and intelligent people or they would do nothing.


Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

Kudos for correctly quoting a post throughout the entirety of your reply.  Well done.  If you're consistent, you'll no longer need to preface your words with your name.

Now if she could only be correct about her assertions