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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:27 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Can you describe the effect that multiple concurrent trials would have on those numbers?
An intelligent agent would be required for multiple trials to take place because it takes an intelligent consciuos being to administer numerous trials. And the numbers prove it's impossible that it happened by chance.
(November 17, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (November 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Everena Wrote: Do you mean when I was 4 years old and pulled out of my body during abuse? Or do you mean when he and I had the mutual/shared experiences? Very unlikely that we would both be delusional at the same time and even if we were, it is even more unlikely that we would have the exact same delusion. And that is not even what has me totally convinced, although it got me 90% of the way towards knowing. The other 40 plus unexplainable signs pushed me to 100% and these are not things that can even be delusions. Some force grabbed my steering wheel and pulled me back on the road when my car drifted into oncoming traffic and saved me from a head on collision with a truck. I have had dreams that I wrote down and years later the things I had dreamed actually happened. When my mom was dying of cancer, a presense woke me up at 4:02 am the morning she died and I found out later that day that that was exactly the time she passed away. I do know none of these were delusions and I also know none of the signs were delusions.
I will add, as a side note, while not directly the answer to the question I asked, your answer does seem an attempt to answer my prior request for inexplicable and improbable experiences that you have had. While I appreciate your sincerity, the list you have provided so far is laughably explicable in mundane terms and leads me to the conclusion that, if the rest of the experiences which you think are inexplicable or improbable are of a similar character, your interpretation of these events is more strongly influenced by what you want to believe than it is justified by the facts of what you have experienced. Thus recalling my earlier point that if your experiences are not so inexplicable as you say, or that there are more probable explanations for your experiences than that which you embrace, then you are simply being irrational and your conclusions as such, are demonstrably unreliable and can be dismissed on that account. The Humean objection to miracle accounts seems particularly relevant here, though I would be the first to say that the problem may not be as simple as Hume surmised.
Yeah yeah whatever.No one in the entire world gives a fuck what atheists say about their experiences. You are only deluding yourselves, and I do mean that literally. Go ahead and tell it to yourself though if it makes you happy.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 12:22 pm)Everena Wrote:
I don't have a specific God. There is one creator God that we all believe in, but because we are all different, people relate to God in the way that makes the most sense to them personally.
Oh, and having had lengthy discussions with those who conceive of God differently than you do, I find your claim rather implausible, and likely to be suffering from the fallacy of the stolen concept in that your view of God is infected with your prejudices and biases to no less an extant than any other person's conception of God, so your conclusion that God possesses this or that trait or characteristic is therefore unreliable, and, the God you claim to believe in is therefore fundamentally unknowable. If that is the case, all your blather about God this and God that simply shows that you are both inconsistent as well as not knowing what the fuck you are talking about.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:35 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 17, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Can you describe the effect that multiple concurrent trials would have on those numbers?
An intelligent agent would be required for multiple trials to take place because it takes an intelligent consciuos being to administer numerous trials. And the numbers prove it's impossible that it happened by chance.
Concurrent trials happen without a Creator all the time. You just need a big ocean full of chemicals.
You have no idea what the numbers actually are, so they don't prove anything. Your first failure is assuming that life started with DNA, so you're citing the wrong numbers from the word go.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:37 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Everena Wrote: Yeah yeah whatever.No one in the entire world gives a fuck what atheists say about their experiences. You are only deluding yourselves, and I do mean that literally. Go ahead and tell it to yourself though if it makes you happy.
I know of one person who does. Make that two. Your reply of the obvious, "fuck you is why" is that of a person who doesn't actually have a reasoned response to the question.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:38 pm
After looking around for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that the designer did not attend an accredited university. It also deserves its money back as its degree in design isn't worth the paper I wipe my ass with!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:41 pm
Ev:Really? Explain how DNA could just create itself then. Explain how this entire universe could just create itself. Explain why we have food for 7.8 million different species of conscious life on this planet. Explain why we have a sex drive and a will to live. Why would nothingness even care if we had genitals, a sex drive, consciousness, emotions or a will to live? Nothingness cannot care. Explain why on top of all that and our amazing abilities to see and smell and hear and feel, and to think, why we also have a planet with electricity, fire, and a vast amount of useful materials and resources? There is too much luck and chance you have to believe as an atheist --to the point that it goes beyond what any rational thinking person would believe.
(November 17, 2018 at 12:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: There is a common theme to all your questions and that is that if I cannot provide said explanations then yours is the obviously correct one. As any student of logic and reason, such as yourself, should know, that is an argument from ignorance and the conclusion doesn't therefore follow. Far from impugning my character and my attitude toward logic, it rather impugns your own.
Ev:I know you wish that were true, but ours is the only logical explanation and deep down, I know you know that too.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:42 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2018 at 12:47 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 17, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 17, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Can you describe the effect that multiple concurrent trials would have on those numbers?
An intelligent agent would be required for multiple trials to take place because it takes an intelligent consciuos being to administer numerous trials. And the numbers prove it's impossible that it happened by chance.
Looks like a hard no, to me. You can't describe the effect that multiple concurrent trials would have on those numbers. Perhaps your ignorance in this regard...just like your ignorance of evolutionary biology...helps to explain why you believe what you do, and why you find arguments such as this or the other compelling?
It would be an efficient explanation.
It's simple..btw, no matter what a probability may be for a single event..it would take no more than (and likely far less than) that number of concurrent trials to make the statistically unlikely a near or actual certainty in the very first pass. You're welcome.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:47 pm
I don't have a specific God. There is one creator God that we all believe in, but because we are all different, people relate to God in the way that makes the most sense to them personally. I did not say I was kicking ass and taking names. I just said you were making false claims about me being proven wrong. A lot of the discussions have come down to just different opinions and beliefs that cannot accurately be judged as right or wrong.
(November 17, 2018 at 12:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Thank you for the clarification. That doesn't answer the question asked. If you were delusional regarding your general beliefs, your experiences, your general competence, your success in this thread here, or any of a number of things you've implied or asserted, how would you know? Oh my God, maybe I am just your delusion. Maybe I don't even really exist. Or maybe this whole universe is just God's delusion and we just all think we are here.... LOL 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:48 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 12:47 pm)Everena Wrote: Maybe I don't even really exist.
...that's probably closer to the truth than anything you've deigned to share with us about the meat fairy....but you're not supposed to say the quiet parts out loud.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 12:48 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 12:41 pm)Everena Wrote: Ev:I know you wish that were true, but ours is the only logical explanation and deep down, I know you know that too.
The difference between us is we know you are delusional and wrong, but we don’t credit you with the capacity to undelude yourself.
You should out of common courtsey damn us the same way we damned you. We would really appreciate it.
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