(November 17, 2018 at 2:09 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 1:55 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (1) You are misrepresenting what I stated. No "lucky accident" is involved. Even f t were it would e more believable than an infinitely complex god with a hide-and-seek fetish.

(2) I am using my brain thank you very much. Kindly observe: "This entire planet" is:
 - A nickel-iron core that you will never interact with chemically.
 - A silicate mantle and crust that you will only ever interact with in the most trivial manner, largely toxic ones.
 - Entire oceans to saline to drink.
 - An atmosphere composed of element that are either inert or toxic. Yes, oxygen is toxic and your body spends a vast amount of energy and resources to keep the wretched stuff from killing you. Still sound like intelligent design?

Now that we've discarded 99.999% of the planet, we can examine the vanishingly small fraction that you call amazing. Most of which will try to eat, poison, infect, or parasitize you. We don't yet have a good understanding of abiogenesis, but replacing the honest "We don't know yet" with "Goddunnit" is dishonest and shorthand for "stop asking questions"! The rest can be explained by a variety of well-understood natural laws and the principles of self-organization and emergent behaviours.

Everena: There are 11.7 million different species of life on this planet, including plants. There are more people than ever before- 7.53 billion. And I do not care if some mold spores and bacterias and germs and insects and certain animals went extinct. There was probably a very good reason for it. Our atmosphere is fine. Who are you kidding? This planet was designed for our specific purpose here. And we are not supposed to be sure of anything, because that would negate our whole challenge. I am sure now, and I really think I may die soon because of being so sure. You are avoiding using logic about everything else and you quite obviously just don't want to believe in God or an afterlife. On your deathbed you will though. It's amazing how atheists turn into believers as they age.

Utter lies.

I've sat with many people in their final hours, both atheists and believers. No atheists have turned into believers, and they tended to be the calmest about it.

And stop saying "logic". It doesn't mean what you think it means. Now, take your iocane powder.

Quote:Everena: I am not hate filled. That would be you. I am also not Christian for like the 3rd time and I do not think you will burn in hell for all eternity, although the thought of that becomes more desirable with every sexist, condescending post you make to me. I think all religions are man made and the only pain you will ever suffer is the pain you have intentionally caused to others. And that's whether you believe in God or not. I don't think God really cares if you believe or not. Just be a good person for the sake of being one and see what happens. That would be my only advice besides to make sure you are really with your soulmate/other half, because I do not think the importance of that cannot be understated.

I never said you were a Christian. sweetie. Your post implying that people convert on their deathbeds is a threat ... sorry, I should have made it simpler. I keep forgetting this is the idiot who quoted an article, claiming it said something it didn't ... no reading comprehension.

"the only pain you will ever suffer is the pain you have intentionally caused to others. And that's whether you believe in God or not." ... is a non-sequitur, dear. You really should take Logic 101 sometime.

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on your infantile woo-woo nonsense about your god being an energy ball.
IF you knew anything about science, you would never have said something SO ignorant.
https://www.ibtimes.com/supermassive-bla...th-2626290
LOL
Puny little god ya got there.

(November 17, 2018 at 2:37 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:09 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: There are 11.7 million different species of life on this planet, including plants. There are more people than ever before- 7.53 billion. And I do not care if some mold spores and bacterias and germs and insects and certain animals went extinct. There was probably a very good reason for it. Our atmosphere is fine. Who are you kidding? This planet was designed for our specific purpose here. And we are not supposed to be sure of anything, because that would negate our whole challenge. I am sure now, and I really think I may die soon because of being so sure. You are avoiding using logic about everything else and you quite obviously just don't want to believe in God or an afterlife. On your deathbed you will though. It's amazing how atheists turn into believers as they age.

Utter lies.

I've sat with many people in their final hours, both atheists and believers.  No atheists have turned into believers, and they tended to be the calmest about it.

And stop saying "logic".  It doesn't mean what you think it means.  Now, take your iocane powder.

And yet it has been proven to be true and I already posted the links to Gae, a few posts back.

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(November 17, 2018 at 2:40 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Everena: I am not hate filled. That would be you. I am also not Christian for like the 3rd time and I do not think you will burn in hell for all eternity, although the thought of that becomes more desirable with every sexist, condescending post you make to me. I think all religions are man made and the only pain you will ever suffer is the pain you have intentionally caused to others. And that's whether you believe in God or not. I don't think God really cares if you believe or not. Just be a good person for the sake of being one and see what happens. That would be my only advice besides to make sure you are really with your soulmate/other half, because I do not think the importance of that cannot be understated.

I never said you were a Christian. sweetie. Your post implying that people convert on their deathbeds is a threat ... sorry, I should have made it simpler. I keep forgetting this is the idiot who quoted an article, claiming it said something it didn't ... no reading comprehension.

"the only pain you will ever suffer is the pain you have intentionally caused to others. And that's whether you believe in God or not." ... is a non-sequitur, dear. You really should take Logic 101 sometime.

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on your infantile woo-woo nonsense about your god being an energy ball.
IF you knew anything about science, you would never have said something SO ignorant.
https://www.ibtimes.com/supermassive-bla...th-2626290
LOL
Puny little god ya got there.

No, I was simply stating the fact that belief in God (and attendance to religious services) increases as people get older so it is likely that will true for all of you as well.

And yhose links don't back up your statements.

You've been asked to provide the specific sections of the text from the links, which you still haven't done.

(November 17, 2018 at 2:29 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:28 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Everena Wrote: Here ya go:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...nd-europe/
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landsc...tribution/

More empty links, lol.  Kindly quote the portion of either which substantiates the notion that people die when they reach some as yet unspecified level of certitude.

They are charts that show how peoples belief increases as they age. And the other one is explained right in the title included in the link.

(November 17, 2018 at 10:45 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 10:02 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: And here it is again:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Ok, well it convinces you. So that's all that matters.

Once again, you asked for positive evidence, and when that scientific, peer-reviewed evidence was placed before you, you rejected it with nothing other than denial and personal incredulity. It convinces me because it meets scientific standards of inquiry. It doesn't convince you because you have already rejected it beforehand. You lack the intellectual honesty to put your cherished beliefs to the test. You will never learn, because you do not WANT to learn.

Quote:No, I was simply stating the fact that belief in God (and attendance to religious services) increases as people get older .....

Prove it.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-...dance.aspx

(November 17, 2018 at 2:09 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: There are 11.7 million different species of life on this planet, including plants. There are more people than ever before- 7.53 billion. And I do not care if some mold spores and bacterias and germs and insects and certain animals went extinct. There was probably a very good reason for it.

Overhunting, habitat destruction, climate change. I'm sure those are great reasons.

Quote:Our atmosphere is fine. Who are you kidding?

Our atmosphere is fine? Nitrogen and argon are inert. Oxygen is toxic.

Quote:This planet was designed for our specific purpose here.

Which explains so very well why it had an atmosphere incapable of supporting human life for the first 2 Billion years and nothing living on land for 4 Billion years. Yup, definitely made just for us.

Quote:And we are not supposed to be sure of anything, because that would negate our whole challenge. I am sure now, and I really think I may die soon because of being so sure. You are avoiding using logic about everything else and you quite obviously just don't want to believe in God or an afterlife.

Sorry, the narrative that I've been hearing from you was the old innocent "I just believe in a Creator" dodge. Does it now turn out that you've been less than fully honest and have a slightly more ridiculous theology?

Quote:On your deathbed you will though. It's amazing how atheists turn into believers as they age.

Somewhat less amazing how many Christians have to resort to threats if you don't believe in their imaginary friend.

(November 17, 2018 at 2:50 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 10:45 am)Everena Wrote: Ok, well it convinces you. So that's all that matters.

Once again, you asked for positive evidence, and when that scientific, peer-reviewed evidence was placed before you, you rejected it with nothing other than denial and personal incredulity. It convinces me because it meets scientific standards of inquiry. It doesn't convince you because you have already rejected it beforehand. You lack the intellectual honesty to put your cherished beliefs to the test. You will never learn, because you do not WANT to learn.

I could say the same thing to you about God. And I don't want to argue about why I don't have 100% faith in the men in science anymore.

Mental faculties tend to decrease with age, so maybe that's why the belief is wish granting sky daddies increases.