DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

The Do You Live In An Intelligently Designed Universe Quiz

1) Why do things fall to the ground?
 - A: Gravity
 - B: Divine Will

2) Why does the sun shine?
 - A: Nuclear fusion and black body radiation
 - B: Divine Will

3) What makes your laptop work?
 - A: Complicated electrical egineering, semiconductors, fiber optics, and a bunch of other stuff that I understand only poorly.
 - B: Divine Will

4) What makes lightning?
 - A: Electrostatic discharge during violent storms
 - B: Divine Will

5) What directs the behaviour of your cells?
 - A: DNA
 - B: Divine Will

6) Why do fewer socks come out of the drier than went in?
 - A: Drier Tax/Laundry gnomes/Pants eat them
 - B: Divine Will

If you answered B to all of the above then you most likely exist in a Created World. You exist at the whim of a capricious Creator and could be snuffed out at any instant. Even a pebble rolling down a riverbed has more free will than you. My condolences.

If you answered A to all of the above then you most likely exist in a universe that evolved from natural laws. Competent Deities don't need to muck about with natural laws because they have Divine Will. The existence of natural laws in your world militates against the existence of a Creator.

Gods don't need to muck about with DNA, they just tell your cells what to do. Assuming you even have cells. DNA demonstrate that you are evolved biochemistry with delusions of sentience.

Everena: False. The A answers are just explanations that science has discovered about how higher intelligence is doing all this.

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Yeah yeah whatever.No one in the entire world gives a fuck what atheists say about their experiences. You are only deluding yourselves, and I do mean that literally. Go ahead and tell it to yourself though if it makes you happy.

I know of one person who does.  Make that two.  Your reply of the obvious, "fuck you is why" is that of a person who doesn't actually have a reasoned response to the question.

Everena: We know our experiences are real. We know you want desperately to convince us that they might not be real. We see through all this ugliness because it comes from a dark place, and that is so much more obvious to us than you would like it to be.

[Anomalocaris]

And by that you mean that you have no clue how the chemicals came to be or why they are capable of doing such amazing things. And I already have an education. Do you?

I do.  A real one.  And I went pretty far in it, not just enough to say i’ve Been to college. Enough To enable me to not make the sort of dumb remarks and assertions that you do.

I do have far more than just a few clues about how chemicals came to be.  Admittedly we do not yet understand fully how each step works. We certainly have enough steps well described to sketch a pretty clear overall picture.

But I won’t waste time because Your concern is not really with knowing how the chemicals came about.  If I tell you the entire process, you will just stupidly ask “who designed the process” and “why was it designed that way”.

Your concern is to anthropomorphize everything like a child into the kindergarten context of goal and intention, without understanding even goals and intentions are but menifestations of underlying processes that formulated the goals and intentions.   The fundamental issue is there is no such thing as why.  Why is just an anthropomorphic if attempt to glossing over unclarity in the how.   Design also fundamentally answers nothing.  Design is also just a anthropomorohizinf attempt at glossing over the unclarity in the how.

[The Grand Nudger]

Everena: We know our experiences are real. We know you want desperately to convince us that they might not be real. We see through all this ugliness because it comes from a dark place, and that is so much more obvious to us than you would like it to be.

Next thing you know, we'll be hearing about the djinn and dark magic.

[Foxaèr]

Next thing you know, we'll be hearing about the djinn and dark magic.

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[Rahn127]

Ev - Would you say that your own ability to not understand how chemistry works, how gravity works, how much of science operates, how evolution changes DNA over time, is the biggest contributor to your belief in a VASTLY more complex entity that creates things you don't understand ?

Since this vastly more complex entity you believe exists, doesn't it also need a creator ?
It couldn't have come about by any natural means.

Isn't that the line you've been drawing ? "This is SO complex that is MUST have a designer."

We humans design things. We are designers.
You are literally saying that designers are so complex that they must have a designer.

You say this because you don't understand natural processes.
You don't understand how chemistry works.
You don't understand natural physical laws.

You want to appeal to something that is MORE complex than the things you already DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Which explains very clearly why you meet the definition of an idiot.

[Paleophyte]

(1) Stellar nucleosynthesis, an activity that no respectable deity engages in. Seriously, it's like warming a baby bottle in a nuclear reactor.

(2) What amazing things? The vast majority don't even interact with you. Of the rest, the majority try to kill you in some pretty horrifying ways. Kindly clarify.

1. That does not explain how they came to be without an intelligent agent. You are claiming this was a lucky accident caused by nothing. And you expect ppl to believe that?
2. What amazing things??? Are you kidding??This entire planet with food and other pleasures and  all conscious intelligent life with an enormous amount of abilities that I guess you just take for granted, but that could not have just magically happened from nothing for no reason no matter how many times you pretend it all could. Use your brain.

(1) You are misrepresenting what I stated. No "lucky accident" is involved. Even f t were it would e more believable than an infinitely complex god with a hide-and-seek fetish.

(2) I am using my brain thank you very much. Kindly observe: "This entire planet" is:
 - A nickel-iron core that you will never interact with chemically.
 - A silicate mantle and crust that you will only ever interact with in the most trivial manner, largely toxic ones.
 - Entire oceans to saline to drink.
 - An atmosphere composed of element that are either inert or toxic. Yes, oxygen is toxic and your body spends a vast amount of energy and resources to keep the wretched stuff from killing you. Still sound like intelligent design?

Now that we've discarded 99.999% of the planet, we can examine the vanishingly small fraction that you call amazing. Most of which will try to eat, poison, infect, or parasitize you. We don't yet have a good understanding of abiogenesis, but replacing the honest "We don't know yet" with "Goddunnit" is dishonest and shorthand for "stop asking questions"! The rest can be explained by a variety of well-understood natural laws and the principles of self-organization and emergent behaviours.

[Everena]

And by that you mean that you have no clue how the chemicals came to be or why they are capable of doing such amazing things. And I already have an education. Do you?

I do.  A real one.  And I went pretty far in it, not just enough to say i’ve Been to college. Enough To enable me to not make the sort of dumb remarks and assertions that you do.

I do have far more than just a few clues about how chemicals came to be.  Admittedly we do not yet understand fully how each step works. We certainly have enough steps well described to sketch a pretty clear overall picture.

But I won’t waste time because Your concern is not really with knowing how the chemicals came about.  If I tell you the entire process, you will just stupidly ask “who designed the process” and “why was it designed that way”.

Your concern is to anthropomorphize everything like a child into the kindergarten context of goal and intention, without understanding even goals and intentions are but menifestations of underlying processes that formulated the goals and intentions.   The fundamental issue is there is no such thing as why.  Why is just an anthropomorphic if attempt to glossing over unclarity in the how.   Design also fundamentally answers nothing.  Design is also just a anthropomorohizinf attempt at glossing over the unclarity in the how.

Wow- I have never seen anyone more brainwashed by atheist bullshit in my entire life. And did they forget to teach you how to spell during this "real" education you supposedly got? Ours is the only logical conclusion. You have no real argument, just illogical crap with no valid explanations for how everything or anything came to be from nothing with no intelligence, and that less than 7% of the world thinks is true.

[Paleophyte]

The Do You Live In An Intelligently Designed Universe Quiz

1) Why do things fall to the ground?
 - A: Gravity
 - B: Divine Will

2) Why does the sun shine?
 - A: Nuclear fusion and black body radiation
 - B: Divine Will

3) What makes your laptop work?
 - A: Complicated electrical egineering, semiconductors, fiber optics, and a bunch of other stuff that I understand only poorly.
 - B: Divine Will

4) What makes lightning?
 - A: Electrostatic discharge during violent storms
 - B: Divine Will

5) What directs the behaviour of your cells?
 - A: DNA
 - B: Divine Will

6) Why do fewer socks come out of the drier than went in?
 - A: Drier Tax/Laundry gnomes/Pants eat them
 - B: Divine Will

If you answered B to all of the above then you most likely exist in a Created World. You exist at the whim of a capricious Creator and could be snuffed out at any instant. Even a pebble rolling down a riverbed has more free will than you. My condolences.

If you answered A to all of the above then you most likely exist in a universe that evolved from natural laws. Competent Deities don't need to muck about with natural laws because they have Divine Will. The existence of natural laws in your world militates against the existence of a Creator.

Gods don't need to muck about with DNA, they just tell your cells what to do. Assuming you even have cells. DNA demonstrate that you are evolved biochemistry with delusions of sentience.

Everena: False. The A answers are just explanations that science has discovered about how higher intelligence is doing all this.

Except science hasn't discovered any higher intelligence and none of those answers make sense if you infer one.

Take the sun for example. It's a nuclear fusion reaction dynamically balanced on by its own gravitational attraction. It terrifyingly radioactive, dangerously unstable, and doomed to explode and kill us all sooner or later. Is this truly the mechanism that a competent Creator uses to illuminate the pinnacle of its creation?

[Everena]

1. That does not explain how they came to be without an intelligent agent. You are claiming this was a lucky accident caused by nothing. And you expect ppl to believe that?
2. What amazing things??? Are you kidding??This entire planet with food and other pleasures and  all conscious intelligent life with an enormous amount of abilities that I guess you just take for granted, but that could not have just magically happened from nothing for no reason no matter how many times you pretend it all could. Use your brain.

(1) You are misrepresenting what I stated. No "lucky accident" is involved. Even f t were it would e more believable than an infinitely complex god with a hide-and-seek fetish.

(2) I am using my brain thank you very much. Kindly observe: "This entire planet" is:
 - A nickel-iron core that you will never interact with chemically.
 - A silicate mantle and crust that you will only ever interact with in the most trivial manner, largely toxic ones.
 - Entire oceans to saline to drink.
 - An atmosphere composed of element that are either inert or toxic. Yes, oxygen is toxic and your body spends a vast amount of energy and resources to keep the wretched stuff from killing you. Still sound like intelligent design?

Now that we've discarded 99.999% of the planet, we can examine the vanishingly small fraction that you call amazing. Most of which will try to eat, poison, infect, or parasitize you. We don't yet have a good understanding of abiogenesis, but replacing the honest "We don't know yet" with "Goddunnit" is dishonest and shorthand for "stop asking questions"! The rest can be explained by a variety of well-understood natural laws and the principles of self-organization and emergent behaviours.

Everena: There are 11.7 million different species of life on this planet, including plants. There are more people than ever before- 7.53 billion. And I do not care if some mold spores and bacterias and germs and insects and certain animals went extinct. There was probably a very good reason for it. Our atmosphere is fine. Who are you kidding? This planet was designed for our specific purpose here. And we are not supposed to be sure of anything, because that would negate our whole challenge. I am sure now, and I really think I may die soon because of being so sure. You are avoiding using logic about everything else and you quite obviously just don't want to believe in God or an afterlife. On your deathbed you will though. It's amazing how atheists turn into believers as they age.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not aware of any evidence indicating that human beings die when they reach some unspecified level of certainty in any given thing.  That would be a serious design flaw, if it were so..given our propensity to certitude.