(November 18, 2018 at 9:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 18, 2018 at 8:12 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: If this fucking thread drags on for a thousand pages I'm changing my avatar.

I'll meet you in the middle.

900?

(November 18, 2018 at 10:23 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:I share belief in a creator God, a soul that exists separate from the body, reward/redemption, and an afterlife and very similar moral thought with Christians, Muslims, Judaists, Hindus, Jainists

But that's not what you described ... at all. Apparently you cannot track from day to day the lies you tell.
You claimed belief in some reincarnation woo karma nonsense ... no Christians or Jews buy into that garbage.
You have a religion of one.

Karma and reincarnation is reward/redemption genius. And over a billion people in the world believe in Karma and reincarnation including.1.1 Billion Hindus and 500 million Buddhists and millions of New Agers. 
Christians also believe in the concept of karma; It is mentioned in the Bible repeatedly: Eye for an Eye, tooth for a tooth, You reap what you sow, Live by the sword/die by the sword, Everyone will be salted with fire, Conisider Carefully what you hear: with the measure you use, it will be measured to you-and even more etc etc Here is a Christian website discussing karma in the bible 
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-...out-karma/
Here is a Muslim website discussing karma in the Quran as well
https://understandquran.com/quran-tell-us-karma-cc.html

So, as usual, you have no idea what you're even babbling on about. Typical sexist moron. You just enjoy being a hater for no reason. You should really consider getting an education and being a normal person or your soulmate will dump you and move on to a more evolved and mature dude.

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(November 18, 2018 at 9:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 18, 2018 at 7:32 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: To say you don't is totally ridiculous. You are equating yourself with a robot or a machine and we very obviously are not either one of those things. And you are sound asleep, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

No, it isn't. You haven't established the existence of the soul. You've asserted its existence and you've asserted that it's the difference between us and a machine. Those assertions are baseless.

On the flip side, there's a reasonable argument for the non-existence of the soul.
Everena: NOPE
 - In order for the soul to have any utility it must interact with your physical body. Without this it would never actually be a part of you. More useless than the appendix.
Everena: NOPE, it is you fool.
 - If it interacts with the physical body then it should be detectable by physical means.
 - It isn't detectable by physical means.
Everena: And it is. Our bodies emit detectable energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed.
 - Thus, the soul does not exist.
Everena: But it does and our consciousness and emotions are proof of it as well. 

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Everena:
I do not have a religion. I believe in God and have my own beliefs based on what I think would make this a fair and just universe and what I think our purpose here is. My beliefs are eclectic.
Jörmungandr:
(Some weird french fries pictures claiming all religious people are crazy)

Everena: Yes, almost the entire world is crazy and YOU who have admitted to being psychotic and delusional are sane. Uh huh.

I take great pride in being a particularly nasty sadistic psychopathic individual who revel in causing boundless unnecessary suffering.   I’ve been toying with the idea of introducing everena to drippy or omega bitch.  But as it turns out even my stone cold heart bulked at that kind of cruelty towards drippy and omega bitch.

Call me crazy, but I'm getting the impression that Everena is a cross between MK and Lil Rik.

"So, as usual, you have no idea what you're even babbling on about. Typical sexist moron. You just enjoy being a hater for no reason. You should really consider getting an education and being a normal person or your soulmate will dump you and move on to a more evolved and mature dude."

Oooooohhh more implied threats. You're such a bad-ass scary bitch.  
I do like pushing your buttons, since you fall for the traps every time. LOL
Madame Zelda Everena ... do you have a crystal ball and tell fortunes on Santa Monica Boulevard for 10 cents ?

Anyone who *has* to keep referencing how many others share her nutty woo-woo is (obviously) very very insecure about her wacko woo woo.

(November 18, 2018 at 11:12 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 18, 2018 at 9:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: No, it isn't. You haven't established the existence of the soul. You've asserted its existence and you've asserted that it's the difference between us and a machine. Those assertions are baseless.

On the flip side, there's a reasonable argument for the non-existence of the soul.
Everena: NOPE
 - In order for the soul to have any utility it must interact with your physical body. Without this it would never actually be a part of you. More useless than the appendix.
Everena: NOPE, it is you fool.
 - If it interacts with the physical body then it should be detectable by physical means.
 - It isn't detectable by physical means.
Everena: And it is. Our bodies emit detectable energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed.
 - Thus, the soul does not exist.
Everena: But it does and our consciousness and emotions are proof of it as well.

Keep shouting and calling me a fool. It makes you sound ever so much more reasonable. Scuffed your Karma again. I hope you have a good deductible.

A microwave oven emits detectable energy that cannot be created or destroyed. The piddling amount of electrochemical discharge leaking from you in any form is swamped by noise and lacking a suitable matrix to interact in. It sure as shit isn't going to heaven. There is no energy emitted by a human that can't be explained in terms of simple brain chemistry.

Consciousness and emotions can be witched off with chemicals or physical injury. Congrats, you've discovered the mind and brain.

(November 19, 2018 at 12:20 am)Kit Wrote: Call me crazy, but I'm getting the impression that Everena is a cross between MK and Lil Rik.

That's insulting to MK and Lil Rik.

Quote:Everena: But it does and our consciousness and emotions are proof of it as well.

Total bullshit as usual. PET scans and MRI scans can visualize the chemical reactions of consciousness and emotions, and there is no evidence for the nonsense of soul woo.
People who have brain damage, (if the soul were true) would still be conscious. They aren't. There is no consciousness without healthy brains. There is not a shred of evidence for soul. None at all. It's woo.

(November 18, 2018 at 11:12 pm)Everena Wrote: Christians also believe in the concept of karma; It is mentioned in the Bible repeatedly: Eye for an Eye, tooth for a tooth

Shit, even I know better than that! Eye for an eye is vengeance, not karma! That's the opposite of karma. You're going to reincarnate as intestinal flora thinking that way!



If your mythology isn't even coherent why would I give your opinions on science a single thought?

(November 19, 2018 at 12:34 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Keep shouting and calling me a fool. It makes you sound ever so much more reasonable. Scuffed your Karma again. I hope you have a good deductible.

A microwave oven emits detectable energy that cannot be created or destroyed. The piddling amount of electrochemical discharge leaking from you in any form is swamped by noise and lacking a suitable matrix to interact in. It sure as shit isn't going to heaven. There is no energy emitted by a human that can't be explained in terms of simple brain chemistry.

Consciousness and emotions can be witched off with chemicals or physical injury. Congrats, you've discovered the mind and brain.

I was not shouting at you. Also I was not talking about radiation. 

I'm talking about detectable energy of our brain waves. This is from the Journal of Biomedical Science and Engineering. (An acual scientific journal abstract that specifically mentions our soul)

http://file.scirp.org/Html/1-9101921_47331.htm

Abstract:
Brainwave is a kind of traceable neurophysiological energy in a living brain. Invisible to human eyes, it is only detectable using electroencephalography (EEG), electrocorticography (ECoG) and magnetoencephalography (MEG). The waves or oscillations or rhythms are produced mainly by the oscillatory networks of the brain. Three main oscillatory networks are thalamocortical, extrathalamic-cortical and cortical-cortical networks. Greater limbic system (reticular system, hypothalamus, thalamus, basal forebrain nuclei, limbic system) has a great influence on these oscillatory networks. This system which is in microgravity position lies deep inside and surrounded by the ventricles of the brain. It receives all information from inside and outside of our body and then projects to all areas of the brain (from all to one and from one to all—nearly similar concept to “from God back to God”). Therefore, the greater limbic system could be regarded as “a core of the neuroaxis” which lies in microgravity compartment and in microgravity position (“T”-shape or curving shape; whilst gravity position is “I”-shape or vertical shape). By knowing the origin of the brainwaves and methods to detect them, one may study seizure networks, normal and abnormal brain networks and arguably, even to explore the relationship between the “invisibles”: “invisible” brainwaves and “invisible” soul.

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(November 19, 2018 at 12:34 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Keep shouting and calling me a fool. It makes you sound ever so much more reasonable. Scuffed your Karma again. I hope you have a good deductible.

A microwave oven emits detectable energy that cannot be created or destroyed. The piddling amount of electrochemical discharge leaking from you in any form is swamped by noise and lacking a suitable matrix to interact in. It sure as shit isn't going to heaven. There is no energy emitted by a human that can't be explained in terms of simple brain chemistry.

Consciousness and emotions can be witched off with chemicals or physical injury. Congrats, you've discovered the mind and brain.

As for consciousness and emotion being "switched off" with chemicals and injuries, that means nothing. The theory is that the brain is a receiver of our consciousness. If the brain is drugged or damaged, then it cannot receive our consciousness correctly. The scientists  who intitially came up with this theory, have already proved it partially true and definitely possible.  https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html

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(November 18, 2018 at 11:12 pm)Everena Wrote: Christians also believe in the concept of karma; It is mentioned in the Bible repeatedly: Eye for an Eye, tooth for a tooth

(November 19, 2018 at 12:45 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Shit, even I know better than that! Eye for an eye is vengeance, not karma! That's the opposite of karma. You're going to reincarnate as intestinal flora thinking that way!
If your mythology isn't even coherent why would I give your opinions on science a single thought?

No, it is exactly the same concept as karma. And I provided links to both Christian and Muslim websites already that call it karma themselves, and that prove you wrong. Here they are again.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-...out-karma/
This one lists 100 verses from the Bible about Karma
https://www.openbible.info/topics/karma
There are also several other Muslim websites aside from the one I linked you earlier.

And Ghandi was a Hindu who believed in Karma and you missed his point entirely.

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(November 19, 2018 at 12:43 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Everena: But it does and our consciousness and emotions are proof of it as well.

Total bullshit as usual. PET scans and MRI scans can visualize the chemical reactions of consciousness and emotions, and there is no evidence for the nonsense of soul woo.
People who have brain damage, (if the soul were true) would still be conscious. They aren't. There is no consciousness without healthy brains. There is not a shred of evidence for soul. None at all. It's woo.

No they would not because the theory is that the brain is a receiver of our consciousness and when our brain is damaged, our receiver of consciousness is damaged. 
https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html


All they can see in MRI's and PET scans  is the parts of the brain that are being used when we are experiencing emotions and consciousness, not how the emotions and consciousness are happening.