(November 21, 2018 at 12:03 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 12:00 am)Everena Wrote: Krausse is a loser. You can tell he's evil and stupid, just by just by watching him speak. And he's a multiple sex offender:

"Two months before the conference, several women had accused Krauss of sexual misconduct, describing behavior that went unchecked for over a decade. By the time Krauss stepped foot on Stanford’s campus for the gathering, he had been banned from three universities, removed from multiple speaking events, and was under a formal investigation by Arizona State University, his primary affiliation."   https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arch...te/573844/

Wow, I didn't know that about Krauss.

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(November 21, 2018 at 12:07 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:I am very nice and not at all stupid.

Apparently you are ... instead of criticizing YOURSELF Kraus' IDEAS, you deflect, and attack him personally.
His personal failings (he has resigned, and EVERYONE knows about him) do nothing to refute his science, and YOU can't even discuss that.

It's just such a moronic argument, even a professor at a community college can shred it to pieces in two seconds.

I don't care about his science. I only care about his atheism and how he defends it. I'm not a fan. Sorry if he's your hero.

Quote:Really, then defend how evolution explains any of it.

Yawn.
Sucks to be *that* stupid and uninformed.

(November 20, 2018 at 11:41 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 11:14 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: So in other words, you don't know what you're talking about, and your objections to Krauss' hypothesis are based in ignorance.  That basically guarantees that your objections aren't rational.  Thanks for playing.  Better luck next time.

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Of course, the fallacy in the latter “argument” is obvious. That we need make no reference to X in the course of doing Y doesn’t prove that X does not exist. We need make no reference to general relativity when studying dentistry, but that doesn’t cast doubt on Einstein’s discovery. We need make no mention of the physiology of tapeworms when engineering bridges, but that doesn’t mean that reports of people having tapeworms are all bogus. Similarly, the fact that scientists need make no reference to God when doing physics, biology, or any other science doesn’t prove—or even suggest—that the existence of God is doubtful.

Since I'm not suggesting that God does not exist, only that he is unnecessary when it comes to explaining the existence of the universe given the existence of space-time, I don't in any way need to prove the former to demonstrate the latter. If the latter is confirmed, then there is very good reason to doubt the existence of God, at least to the extent that an inability to explain the origin of the universe is evidence for the existence of God. So, as always, you fail in even presenting a relevant argument. You're guilty of the fallacy of ignoratio elenchi, which basically says that even if what you say was true, and I have no need to doubt you, your conclusion as to the main argument would not follow. Basically, ignoratio elenchi is shorthand for "You wouldn't know a valid argument if it bit you in the ass." Why you think making logically invalid arguments should give us reason to have confidence in your claims, I don't know.

And Feser? Please. He has degrees in philosophy and religious studies. His criticism of Krauss' science would be no more credible than a janitor's notions about quantum mechanics. Krauss' atheism and his arguments for it are irrelevant. This is simply another example of ignoratio elenchi. You really suck at this. How can you be so blind to how badly you suck at logic and argument? I'll tell you how. Because you suck at the same skills when applied to assessing your own performance. You lack the skills necessary to competently assess your own competence. This is the lower end of the well known Dunning-Kruger effect. And it fits you to a tee.

All you and CDF are accomplishing with your continued illogical arguments and moronic assertions is giving people something to laugh at. Unfortunately for you, you don't realize the joke because you are the joke.

Got some more moronic and logically invalid arguments for me to laugh at?

(November 21, 2018 at 12:09 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 12:02 am)Everena Wrote: What are you talking about Gae Bologna? God is the ultimate cause.

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I am very nice and not at all stupid. 

You are by a large margin the dumbest and most ignorant creature to inflict itself upon this forum.   You also have repulsively conceited personality that you somehow manage to showcase in even more glaring light shone by your unparalleled lack of discernible redeeming personality and character qualities of any sort.

This, from the person who cannot even spell the word "too" correctly. Like I care what someone like you thinks of me. What matters is that I am right and you are wrong.

(November 21, 2018 at 12:02 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You've told us that your meat fairy isn't an ultimate cause either.  Why is this a problem?

What are you talking about Gae Bologna? God is the ultimate cause.

You're really going to have to make your mind up about this at some point.  You go back and forth between pages.

(November 21, 2018 at 12:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Got some more moronic and logically invalid arguments for me to laugh at?

No, stay an atheist. Believe this whole universe just magically appeared one day for no reason from an inanimate object. That's the kind of logic that suits you well. And an elementary school teacher could explain what was wrong with Krauss's stupid argument.

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(November 21, 2018 at 12:16 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 12:02 am)Everena Wrote: What are you talking about Gae Bologna? God is the ultimate cause.

You're really going to have to make your mind up about this at some point.  You go back and forth between pages.

Nope, not ever.

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(November 21, 2018 at 12:12 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Really, then defend how evolution explains any of it.

Yawn.
Sucks to be *that* stupid and uninformed.

And..... you admit defeat and have no valid argument. Shocking.

(November 21, 2018 at 12:18 am)Everena Wrote:

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(November 21, 2018 at 12:16 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're really going to have to make your mind up about this at some point.  You go back and forth between pages.

Nope, not ever.

As in you're never going to make up your mind..or?  Obviously, if you can't..then we can't have a rational conversation because you do not possess a cogent belief in this regard.

Either the meat fairy made all of this stuff that amazes you out of preexisting material..or it's the ultimate cause of the same..but it can't be both simultaneously. If it's a problem for something not to qualify as an ultimate cause..then..it's a problem, but if so, then it would also be a problem for meat fairy.

Is it a problem, for example, that I make your food out of preexisting material? Does this mean that..even though I explain the existence of your food..I am not the ultimate cause of your food?

You know nothing about Krauss or his BOOKS or his science. He has no "argument" ... you fool. 
He's not my "hero" ... in some ways he's been somewhat counter-productive ... but thanks for proving again you're a liar and a fool.

Are you sure you're not really a 13 year old Valley Girl ?
That is what you sound like, sweetie dear. (gumsnap)

(November 21, 2018 at 12:26 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 12:18 am)Everena Wrote:

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Nope, not ever.

As in you're never going to make up your mind..or?  Obviously, if you can't..then we can't have a rational conversation because you do not possess a cogent belief in this regard.

What? I have said God was the first cause of this universe the entire time. When do you claim I ever didn't?

Quote:And an elementary school teacher could explain what was wrong with Krauss's stupid argument.

Great. Then you should have no problem with it either. Let's hear it. Now.