(November 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 2:10 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You'll have to be more specific.  What am I missing in the notion that the meat fairy exists in some "other universe" it didn't create that was or is or used to be chock full of other stuff it didn't create, like us?  

What lead you to believe that this sort of meat fairy had anything to do with a first cause, and if it's not a problem for the meat fairy that it's not the first cause, why would it be a problem that I am not the first cause for your food or that evolutionary biology is not the first cause of life?

We are what is. All conscious life (including animals) are what is!  We are the life that is and always has been. God is the first cause of this universe and planet. God exists in another universe that has always been and is still our home. 

That's not what the term "first cause" means.  You're wrong about the meat fairy being the explanation for this planet, or for life..but even if we assumed for the lulz that you were right it still wouldn't be a first cause.  It would be a proximate cause.  Just like farmers are the proximate cause for all of your food..and evolutionary biology is the proximate cause for all of this life.

Either that's a problem, or it isn't.  If it isn't a problem for the meat fairy, it's not a problem for farmers or evolutionary biology.  Your objections are inconsistent with your own beliefs....in addition to your beliefs being laughably false.  

Quote:The problem? How would you be the first cause of food, when you doesn't begin on this planet until your first life began here. Evolutionary Biology is just a process, not a first cause of anything. What is so hard to understand about that?

I'm not..but neither is the meat fairy.  Either that's a problem or it's not.

Your entire schtick has been a running argument from ignorance. "Blah bnlah blah, you can't explain that!" Well..yeah, ofc I can, and have. What you really mean to say is "Blah blah blah, but that's not a first cause!" well..so what, neither is the meat fairy you've described. The difference..is that I can at least manage to demonstrate a proximate cause...whereas you can only flail around about things you don't understand..using words you don't understand, that reduce your beliefs to hilarious contradiction...for reasons you don't understand.

Real solid work, you betcha!

(November 21, 2018 at 3:24 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Everena Wrote: We are what is. All conscious life (including animals) are what is!  We are the life that is and always has been. God is the first cause of this universe and planet. God exists in another universe that has always been and is still our home. 

That's not what the term "first cause" means.  You're wrong about the meat fairy being the explanation for this planet, or for life..but even if we assumed for the lulz that you were right it still wouldn't be a first cause.  It would be a proximate cause.  Just like farmers are the proximate cause for all of your food..and evolutionary biology is the proximate cause for all of this life.

Either that's a problem, or it isn't.  If it isn't a problem for the meat fairy, it's not a problem for farmers or evolutionary biology.  Your objections are inconsistent with your own beliefs....in addition to your beliefs being laughably false.  

Quote:The problem? How would you be the first cause of food, when you doesn't begin on this planet until your first life began here. Evolutionary Biology is just a process, not a first cause of anything. What is so hard to understand about that?

I'm not..but neither is the meat fairy.  Either that's a problem or it's not.

Your entire schtick has been a running argument from ignorance.  "Blah bnlah blah, you can't explain that!"  Well..yeah, ofc I can, and have.  What you really mean to say is "Blah blah blah, but that's not a first cause!"  well..so what, neither is the meat fairy you've described.  The difference..is that I can at least manage to demonstrate a proximate cause...whereas you can only flail around about things you don't understand..using words you don't understand, that reduce your beliefs to hilarious contradiction...for reasons you don't understand.

Real solid work, you betcha!  

Not to mention something is only food because something exists that can ingest it with life it's just more chemicals without any further significance.

(November 21, 2018 at 3:00 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 2:27 pm)Everena Wrote: WRONG. There are ZERO theories that do not 100% absolutely require higher intelligence as the first cause.

I just posted 4. Which is more than zero.

There are many more look em up. Heres a run down of a few.


However you want think that the ideas even exist, even though I have shown you the evidence right there.

The ideas are a crock of shit. None of them are possible without an intelligent agent. You are just gullible.

What intelligent agent created meat fairy, or our souls?

80,000 children younger than 5 have starved to death in Yemen.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen...SKCN1NQ1B6
Isn't that a bit excessive, even for Everena's evil god ?
Oh but they were becoming "better selves" ... never mind.

That was meat fairy trying to teach ev a lesson.  He'll just keep killing kids until her soul improves. So I guess we might want to dig a hole bunch of tiny holes.

(November 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 1:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I didn't ask for beliefs based upon scientific theories but rather what are your beliefs independent of any justification otherwise.  Stop being a chicken shit and stop with the meaningless reposts.  I assure you, I have been paying attention.  Either answer the fucking question or don't.  These tedious repeats are simply a dishonest way of avoiding the question.

I don't have any beliefs that are not justifiable in some way, so I am not sure what it is that you are hoping I will say.

I didn't ask you for what beliefs you have that lack justification, but rather what belief you have in the matter regardless of what your justification is. Are you really this fucking stupid? It seems so.

Regardless, I'd like an answer to the question, your Honor. Do you believe that your special ball of shrieking energy you call God exists within the same time-space continuum as this universe here?

If you keep deflecting, I'm going to have to assume you are nothing but a troll. Whether you're simply too stupid and chicken shit, or whether you are intentionally acting stupid to generate replies, it's all the same to me and I will start responding accordingly. Not that I will ignore you. Dumbass trolls are capable of offering up lulz to be had as well.

Quote:CDF47
You have Isaiah 45:7 in your signature. The ESV has it translated as, "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things."

I checked a number of Hebrew references and concordances .. they all translate it as "evil".
https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1045.htm

"He created the light and created the darkness, he did well and created evil;
I am Yahweh, who does all of these things"
The Hebrew word for evil is, and that's what it says : רשע

I believe we exist as our true selves in another universe with God. Our true selves and God are infinite and eternal energy that has always and will always exist.

(November 21, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: So let me get this straight. In your little world, our "true selves" need to become better people, but they always existed as imperfect people .... for eons and eons and eons.

Everena: YES! And during that time we lived as a part of God and with ONLY the possibility to do good, and without the capability to ever choose "evil." We had to "eat the apple" as the Christians say, for the fall of man to occur. Now we are here, fallen, with knowledge of good and evil and we are able to choose one or the other. We will suffer for our bad choices, but only to learn to become better and to make only good choices, even here. 

Then poof ... time to become a better person.

Everena: And then God created this earth so we could be far away from God and independent, with our own free will. 

Are the true-self versions getting better along with the Earth self unit, or do they mind-meld at some point ?

Everena: We are each getting better, but at different speeds, and we will all reach our ultimate goal, but it will take a long time for some. The earth is a planet, not conscious, just created for our purposes.

Wait. You mean we at one time we were part of this shrieking ball of energy you call God? I think I'm having a moment. Do tell me more. The lulz are actually increasing. I didn't think it was possible.