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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 2:10 pm
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You'll have to be more specific. What am I missing in the notion that the meat fairy exists in some "other universe" it didn't create that was or is or used to be chock full of other stuff it didn't create, like us?
What lead you to believe that this sort of meat fairy had anything to do with a first cause, and if it's not a problem for the meat fairy that it's not the first cause, why would it be a problem that I am not the first cause for your food or that evolutionary biology is not the first cause of life?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm
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(November 21, 2018 at 2:05 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: If something always existed, then it was never caused, and there is no "first" anything.
Her god apparently is not the cause of us. LOL
It's really very simple. A 3rd Grader can get that.
I believe we exist as our true selves in another universe with God. Our true selves and God are infinite and eternal energy that has always and will always exist.
This universe and this planet and our flesh was created by God as a place for are souls to come and learn (through a series of lifetimes) how to be better people so we are then deserving of an eternity in paradise.
Our souls (true selves) that live in the other universe are currently existing in superposition here and there until our flesh here dies here and we wake up there.
(November 21, 2018 at 1:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I didn't ask for beliefs based upon scientific theories but rather what are your beliefs independent of any justification otherwise. Stop being a chicken shit and stop with the meaningless reposts. I assure you, I have been paying attention. Either answer the fucking question or don't. These tedious repeats are simply a dishonest way of avoiding the question.
I don't have any beliefs that are not justifiable in some way, so I am not sure what it is that you are hoping I will say.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 2:23 pm
(November 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Everena Wrote: [quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1854976' dateline='1542751876']
You are just asserting that intelligence is required for it to happen, you have not provided any evidence to support that view.
There are quite a few ideas of how the big bang could have started that do not require an intelligent agency.
Look it up. (November 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Everena Wrote: No, there are not ANY and by that I mean there are ZERO ideas of how this universe started that do not 100% require conscious intelligence.
You did not look it up.
Here's one.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/7...ted-before
another three here.
https://www.universetoday.com/116835/wha...-big-bang/
No guiding intelligence needed in any of them.
There are more, but you get the idea.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm
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(November 21, 2018 at 2:10 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You'll have to be more specific. What am I missing in the notion that the meat fairy exists in some "other universe" it didn't create that was or is or used to be chock full of other stuff it didn't create, like us?
What lead you to believe that this sort of meat fairy had anything to do with a first cause, and if it's not a problem for the meat fairy that it's not the first cause, why would it be a problem that I am not the first cause for your food or that evolutionary biology is not the first cause of life?
We are what is. All conscious life (including animals) are what is! We are the life that is and always has been. God is the first cause of this universe and planet. God exists in another universe that has always been and is still our home.
The problem? How would you be the first cause of food, when you doesn't begin on this planet until your first life began here. Evolutionary Biology is just a process, not a first cause of anything. What is so hard to understand about that?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm
This everena thinks she is cunning enough to start a cult.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 2:27 pm
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(November 21, 2018 at 2:23 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (November 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 20, 2018 at 6:11 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: You are just asserting that intelligence is required for it to happen, you have not provided any evidence to support that view.
There are quite a few ideas of how the big bang could have started that do not require an intelligent agency.
Look it up. (November 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Everena Wrote: No, there are not ANY and by that I mean there are ZERO ideas of how this universe started that do not 100% require conscious intelligence.
You did not look it up.
Here's one.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/7...ted-before
another three here.
https://www.universetoday.com/116835/wha...-big-bang/
No guiding intelligence needed in any of them.
There are more, but you get the idea. WRONG. There are ZERO theories that do not 100% absolutely require higher intelligence as the first cause.
(November 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: This everena thinks she is cunning enough to start a cult.
The only organized religion I have ever enjoyed being a part of was Christianity. I certainly would not want a cult.
(November 21, 2018 at 1:33 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:And nothing would be expected to be here if no one were directing the evolutionary process.
Actually no one is directing anything, or what we observe would not be so "flawed".
Children get cancer. Woops
It appears you never heard about Chaos Theory. Of course you haven't. Order, and eventually all kinds of things arise in this universe spontaneously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
Woo Princess is suffering from this well known disorder : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect
I understand why that confuses you, but there is a reason that everything happens as it does and no one ever really dies.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 2:45 pm
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Quote:Everena
I understand why that confuses you, but there is a reason that everything happens as it does and no one ever really dies.
That's cute dear, now run along and play.
Since that is an extraordinary claim, you need extraordinary evidence for that preposterous pile-of-shit claim.
You have none.
Since not one person ever has ever once been convinced by the woo-woo you spout, what is the purpose of your doing your act/schtick.
Why are you here ?
Say, BTW, are you woo-people in an association or union ? Like the Woo-workers Union ?
Do you know Madame Zelda with the crystal ball down on Venice Beach ?
Do you charge as much as she does for woo readings ?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 3:00 pm
(November 21, 2018 at 2:27 pm)Everena Wrote: WRONG. There are ZERO theories that do not 100% absolutely require higher intelligence as the first cause.
I just posted 4. Which is more than zero.
There are many more look em up. Heres a run down of a few.
However you want think that the ideas even exist, even though I have shown you the evidence right there.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 3:09 pm
(November 21, 2018 at 2:27 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: This everena thinks she is cunning enough to start a cult.
The only organized religion I have ever enjoyed being a part of was Christianity. I certainly would not want a cult.
Then shut the fuck up and stop peddling your own crap. One one cares about either you or anything so worthless that the likes of you can believe it.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 3:12 pm
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Quote:I believe we exist as our true selves in another universe with God. Our true selves and God are infinite and eternal energy that has always and will always exist.
So let me get this straight. In your little world, our "true selves" need to become better people, but they always existed as imperfect people .... for eons and eons and eons.
Then poof ... time to become a better person. Are the true-self versions getting better along with the Earth self unit, or do they mind-meld at some point ?
Quote:WRONG. There are ZERO theories that do not 100% absolutely require higher intelligence as the first cause.
Woops. Your fan-boi Penrose has one ... that requires no intelligence.
You can look that one up also.
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