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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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(November 21, 2018 at 10:24 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (November 20, 2018 at 12:40 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: And so by default you are claiming this enitre universe and all consciousj life just magically appeared without the use of any intelligence. Live with it. Own it. Stop trying to slink away from it.
And define natural in that context if that is what you truly believe so much.
Everena: You did not adequately define natural. You're saying your cause for absolutely everything was caused by something that did not even exist yet? The term is vague and means nothing.
You understand that what you are saying is equivalent to you claiming that a large rock in your front yard turned itself into an entire universe with planets and conscious life for no apparent reason. That would require magic, because it would be literally impossible.
What is it you think didn't exist yet? The universe? There's no scientific cosmological hypothesis for the origin of the universe that has it coming from absolute nothingness, that I'm aware of.
No apparent reason means that the reason is not apparent, not that there isn't one. There are multiple scientific hypotheses for the origin of the initial expansion. None of them involve magic. 'Magic' seems to just be a word you like to use to ridicule the positions of people you disagree with on this matter instead of engaging in substantive dialogue. There's no reason to think the reason for the initiation of our cosmos would be readily apparent. That we are in a position to have any idea of what was going on over 14 billion years ago is amazing when you think about it.
And if there was an actual singularity, which is in question, it contained all the matter and energy of the universe in which we exist now. Not like a large rock becoming the universe at all. More like an extremely dense and compact universe changing state into an ever-expanding and thinning one, like an ice cube becoming water vapor.
(November 20, 2018 at 12:44 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Absolutely it is the same thing as looking at that rock waiting for a universe to appear or a human to grow out of it.
There are wonderful books on these subjects. You don't have to go through life thinking scientists believe that whatever preceded the initial expansion was analogous to a large rock; or that 14 billion years is way too short a time for something like a human to arise by natural causes somewhere in the universe.
We just popped out of nowhere in a meaningless, unguided, and un-created universe over a period of 4.54 billion years on an earth somewhere in the universe? I'm not buying it. The evidence points elsewhere.
(November 21, 2018 at 10:54 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 21, 2018 at 1:33 am)CDF47 Wrote: You have Isaiah 45:7 in your signature. The ESV has it translated as, "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things."
Same diff. Your deity is evil.
You claimed to be an engineer ... yet you understand so little of physics that you ignorantly employ a spatial reference to an environment you know nothing about. "Outside" is meaningless in your context.
I think you are not an engineer.
There were not just 10 Commandments. No Jew would be allowed to just follow 10 Commandments.
There are 613 Commandments, most of which religionists break all the time.
Oh the horrors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
It doesn't matter what you think. An MEs take nearly as many physics classes as physicists.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 6:37 pm
It would be nice to see some of that evidence, it's been nearly 1k pages..after all.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 6:38 pm
(November 21, 2018 at 11:05 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: He engineers some of that finest all beef patties on a sesame seed bun, tellin me that doesn't count? 
OFC CDF is full of shit, that much was made apparent 800 pages back.
How so would you say?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 6:38 pm
In every imaginable way, I would say. LOL.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 6:51 pm
(November 21, 2018 at 1:55 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 21, 2018 at 1:36 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: How is your repaste in any way an answer to my question? I noted this when you originally posted it as well as noting that it was not relevant and so yet another case of ignoratio elenchi. Are you going to answer the question as to what you believe or are you simply too chicken shit and dishonest?
Answer to what question? I answered both your questions,you just don't like the answers because they once again disprove atheist propaganda. Krauss is wrong (shocking) and no one yet knows which theory is the correct one regarding multiverses and the space time continuum.
I think the multiverse is BS. Scientists came up with that because they couldn't handle this finite universe with the fine-tuning seen in it. They found themselves in a universe which is super-symmetrical so they needed to come up with an infinite number of universe theory to try to explain that away.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 6:56 pm
Yeah, sure, scientists sit around thinking so themselves "fuck, how can we deny the plain evidence of CDF's god?".
I mean, if they didn't..they wouldn't get anything done!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 6:57 pm
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Quote:Wrong! They all believe in the logic of it. What do the think the Christian who posted this thread was trying to tell you??!??!?
He's as nuts and out of touch as you are. Neither of you have anything to offer anyone.
You're a nut-case, pure and simple.
You are wrong about "logic" and Christians. If you ask why they are a Christian, NOT ONE will say "it's logical".
Christian theology teaches 'faith" is a gift of their god. If logic proves something to them, then they need no faith. You have NO CLUE what you're on about.
You're an ignorant fool.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 7:01 pm
The common thread uniting every apologist is an instinctive distrust of anyone who knows anything better than they do.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 7:11 pm
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Quote:I think the multiverse is BS. Scientists came up with that because they couldn't handle this finite universe with the fine-tuning seen in it. They found themselves in a universe which is super-symmetrical so they needed to come up with an infinite number of universe theory to try to explain that away.
Total BS.
95 % of the universe, at this point is unknown. You can say nothing about it.
95 % of it is Dark Energy and Dark matter. Until they are understood, nothing can be said about this universe, in general.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 21, 2018 at 7:16 pm
Fine tuned universe:
Black holes swalliwing stars and planetary systems.
Colliding galaxies.
Gamma ray bursts that could wipe us out in sn instant.
Fine tuned Earth for humans:
70% of the surface uninhabitable by humans.
Diseases that wipe out millions every year (don't give me this "fall" nonsense).
Dying to live, living to die.
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