No basis in theoretical science. It's reliant on theories of quantum gravitation that nobody has a decent handle on.

No mechanism for creating qubits in microtubules. Where are these entangled electrons coming from again?

No mechanism for preserving qubits. The longest lived entangled electrons in a biological system survived a whole 400 femtoseconds (0.4 nanoseconds) and were produced during photosynthesis.

No mechanism for communicating with anything, even if it did work. Quantum computers aren't a hotline to God.

No evidence that we communicate with anything outside of ourselves using anything other than conventional means. Seriously folks, telepathy only works via smartphone.

No capacity to prevent death due to strong electromagnetic fields, gravitational waves, or anything else that interferes with electron spin. Good thing your brain needs a decent whomp to do damage.

No way to get those pesky entangled electrons to any other party. Congrats, you have both ends of the phone line.

No evidence of a higher intelligence transmitting anything. Are you there God? It's me, Margaret.

No ability to communicate faster than light. Entangled particles don't violate causality because they decohere the instant you try and modulate their signal. It's what makes them beautifully tamperproof for quantum cryptography. Likewise, Penrose' "ripples in space-time" have been demonstrated to propagate at the speed of light. Unless you want to argue that light-speed lag is the reason that religious morality is millennia out of date.

So even if you did have quantum computers in your head, they wouldn't do anything spiritual. It's just another quantum woo deepity.

(November 25, 2018 at 2:10 am)Everena Wrote: Your Overmind is 'An energy'.

Everena: Yes, a form of energy we are unaware of here that feels more like matter. It's bigger than this entire planet.

It exists in an unobservable 'Universe'.

Everena: Yes, or what scientists refer to as the hidden universe or hidden universes.

It can ignore any/the limits of our reality at its whim.

Everena: It is the creator of everything here that has taken humans hundreds of thousands of years to even sort of understand using very complicated mathematical formulas that the very brightest minds among us have worked tirelessly on. And we are still only really guessing. But yes, God can do anything.

It moves.

It consumes.

It is 'All powerful'.

It is 'All knowing'.

Lots of things to discuss there.

So, if this other reality/univers is 'Unobservable'... HWO might you know/inffer it exists?

Everena: Here are some reasons that so many scientists think so

https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-uni...ories.html

If your Overmind has to consume... does it have to expell?

Everena: No, it is energy and burns what it consumes, as do our higher selves. And you spelled expel wrong.


Is your Overmind limitless in its unobservable reality as well as being limitless in our reality?

Everena: God is not limited by anything, as we have discussed.

Where does it move? How does it move? Why should it need to move?

Everena: Anyway it wants to. 

Cheers.

Everena: Drinking again? 

 Sorry. My spelling and math have always been atrocious.

So... you've linked to a web page which seems to be on the level of 'New Scientis'. That's okay, that's about my reading level of science comprehension as well.

So far... all the attributes you've listed also match things like 'Cthulhu'.

Might you see how that could be construed as a 'Bad thing'?

What actual interactions have/has any one had with your current ideas? (Other than, of course, your self having 'Feelings')

Since... So far, all you've done is post assertions. Then gone and linked to artciles and such which... kind of don't say the things you've been posting.

Such as... postulations of a 'Multiverse' don't avtually get you to an "Unobservable reality" (Your term there) and all of the properties you're posting about.

Also... other than "My Overmind created everything" you've not actually positied any reason to give a care about your Overmind.

Cheers.

Not at work.

(November 25, 2018 at 2:19 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

Orch-OR Failings

No basis in theoretical science. It's reliant on theories of quantum gravitation that nobody has a decent handle on.

No mechanism for creating qubits in microtubules. Where are these entangled electrons coming from again?

No mechanism for preserving qubits. The longest lived entangled electrons in a biological system survived a whole 400 femtoseconds (0.4 nanoseconds) and were produced during photosynthesis.

No mechanism for communicating with anything, even if it did work. Quantum computers aren't a hotline to God.

No evidence that we communicate with anything outside of ourselves using anything other than conventional means. Seriously folks, telepathy only works via smartphone.

No capacity to prevent death due to strong electromagnetic fields, gravitational waves, or anything else that interferes with electron spin. Good thing your brain needs a decent whomp to do damage.

No way to get those pesky entangled electrons to any other party. Congrats, you have both ends of the phone line.

No evidence of a higher intelligence transmitting anything. Are you there God? It's me, Margaret.

No ability to communicate faster than light. Entangled particles don't violate causality because they decohere the instant you try and modulate their signal. It's what makes them beautifully tamperproof for quantum cryptography. Likewise, Penrose' "ripples in space-time" have been demonstrated to propagate at the speed of light. Unless you want to argue that light-speed lag is the reason that religious morality is millennia out of date.

So even if you did have quantum computers in your head, they wouldn't do anything spiritual. It's just another quantum woo deepity.

Post this on line and Hameroff will respond to you. He responds to anyone who questions his theory. If you can't post it anywhere, he is on Twitter. I am aware of what they have proven so far and unless they prove something else, I'm not interested in talking about it.

Woa.

Does the OP know that DNA tests occur on evolutionary principles? Does the OP know that DNA tests may measure similarities amongst variations afforded by mutations aka DNA changes brought by billions of years of evolution?

Does the OP reject DNA tests as valid thereafter, since the OP rejects evolution? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

(November 25, 2018 at 1:53 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:38 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Play nice little Ediacaran. We're all just evolved clots of dirt and you're about 600 Million years closer to the mudpile than us jumped-up monkeyspawn.

Little do you know ediacaran fauna consisted entirely of sessile, highly intelligent organisms that devoted all their vast intellect over 50 million years entirely to contemplating the deepest secrets of the universe, and as a result of their prodigious feats of intellect transcended time and space and ascended to a higher plane 542 million years ago, leaving inferior lineages such as yours to claw out nasty, brutal and short existences on the savage little ball to the end of life’s time on earth.

So that's how you all ended up buried in turbidites!

Neither you nor Hallucigenia look like the navel-gazing type.

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(November 25, 2018 at 2:25 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 2:19 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

Orch-OR Failings

No basis in theoretical science. It's reliant on theories of quantum gravitation that nobody has a decent handle on.

No mechanism for creating qubits in microtubules. Where are these entangled electrons coming from again?

No mechanism for preserving qubits. The longest lived entangled electrons in a biological system survived a whole 400 femtoseconds (0.4 nanoseconds) and were produced during photosynthesis.

No mechanism for communicating with anything, even if it did work. Quantum computers aren't a hotline to God.

No evidence that we communicate with anything outside of ourselves using anything other than conventional means. Seriously folks, telepathy only works via smartphone.

No capacity to prevent death due to strong electromagnetic fields, gravitational waves, or anything else that interferes with electron spin. Good thing your brain needs a decent whomp to do damage.

No way to get those pesky entangled electrons to any other party. Congrats, you have both ends of the phone line.

No evidence of a higher intelligence transmitting anything. Are you there God? It's me, Margaret.

No ability to communicate faster than light. Entangled particles don't violate causality because they decohere the instant you try and modulate their signal. It's what makes them beautifully tamperproof for quantum cryptography. Likewise, Penrose' "ripples in space-time" have been demonstrated to propagate at the speed of light. Unless you want to argue that light-speed lag is the reason that religious morality is millennia out of date.

So even if you did have quantum computers in your head, they wouldn't do anything spiritual. It's just another quantum woo deepity.

Post this on line and Hameroff will respond to you. He responds to anyone who questions his theory. If you can't post it anywhere, he is on Twitter. I am aware of what they have proven so far and unless they prove something else, I'm not interested in talking about it.

Hey! Look at this all posted online! That was easy!

(November 25, 2018 at 2:25 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 2:10 am)Everena Wrote: Your Overmind is 'An energy'.

Everena: Yes, a form of energy we are unaware of here that feels more like matter. It's bigger than this entire planet.

It exists in an unobservable 'Universe'.

Everena: Yes, or what scientists refer to as the hidden universe or hidden universes.

It can ignore any/the limits of our reality at its whim.

Everena: It is the creator of everything here that has taken humans hundreds of thousands of years to even sort of understand using very complicated mathematical formulas that the very brightest minds among us have worked tirelessly on. And we are still only really guessing. But yes, God can do anything.

It moves.

It consumes.

It is 'All powerful'.

It is 'All knowing'.

Lots of things to discuss there.

So, if this other reality/univers is 'Unobservable'... HWO might you know/inffer it exists?

Everena: Here are some reasons that so many scientists think so

https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-uni...ories.html

If your Overmind has to consume... does it have to expell?

Everena: No, it is energy and burns what it consumes, as do our higher selves. And you spelled expel wrong.


Is your Overmind limitless in its unobservable reality as well as being limitless in our reality?

Everena: God is not limited by anything, as we have discussed.

Where does it move? How does it move? Why should it need to move?

Everena: Anyway it wants to. 

Cheers.

Everena: Drinking again? 

 Sorry. My spelling and math have always been atrocious.

So... you've linked to a web page which seems to be on the level of 'New Scientis'. That's okay, that's about my reading level of science comprehension as well.
Everena: Just a condensed version of different viewpoints. 

So far... all the attributes you've listed also match things like 'Cthulhu'.

Everena: I don't care 

Might you see how that could be construed as a 'Bad thing'?

Everena: Nope

What actual interactions have/has any one had with your current ideas? (Other than, of course, your self having 'Feelings')

Since... So far, all you've done is post assertions. Then gone and linked to artciles and such which... kind of don't say the things you've been posting.

Such as... postulations of a 'Multiverse' don't avtually get you to an "Unobservable reality" (Your term there) and all of the properties you're posting about.

Also... other than "My Overmind created everything" you've not actually positied any reason to give a care about your Overmind.

Everena: It is just my belief. Take it for what it's worth.

Cheers.
Everena: Have a love ly night.
Not at work.

So... I think your reply, Everena, was;

"Nope, it's all just my guess work. Have a lovely night."

(?)

Not at work.

(November 24, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 24, 2018 at 10:58 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Prove it!

This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence.

Quote:Prove it!

And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well.

Quote:Wrong! Nature is an arms race between predators and prey. This is the result of millennia of evolution.

Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KEVaCyaA

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_gallup_113367

Quote:Wrong!

1. Complexity arises from simplicity all the time. The Mandelbrot set is an example (Dewey 1996). Real-life examples include the following: A pan of water with heat applied uniformly to its bottom will develop convection currents that are more complex than the still water; complex hurricanes arise from similar principles; complex planetary ring systems arise from simple laws of gravitation; complex ant nests arise from simple behaviors; and complex organisms arise from simpler seeds and embryos.
   
   
2. Complexity should be expected from evolution. In computer simulations, complex organisms were more robust than simple ones (Lenski et al. 1999), and natural selection forced complexity to increase (Adami et al. 2000). Theoretically, complexity is expected because complexity-generating processes dissipate the entropy from solar energy influxes, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics (Wicken 1979). Ilya Prigogine won the Nobel Prize "for his contributions to non-equilibrium thermodynamics, particularly the theory of dissipative structures" (Nobel Foundation 1977). According to Prigogine, "it is shown that non-equilibrium may become a source of order and that irreversible processes may lead to a new type of dynamic states of matter called 'dissipative structures' " (Prigogine 1977, 22).
   
3. References:
   

1. Adami, C., C. Ofria and T. C. Collier, 2000. Evolution of biological complexity. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 97(9): 4463-4468. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/9/4463
   
2. Dewey, David, 1996. Introduction to the Mandelbrot set. http://www.ddewey.net/mandelbrot/
   
3. Lenski, R. E., C. Ofria, T. C. Collier and C. Adami, 1999. Genome complexity, robustness and genetic interactions in digital organisms. Nature 400: 661-664.
   
4. Nobel Foundation 1977. The Nobel Prize in chemistry 1977. http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1977
   
5. Prigogine, Ilya, 1977. Time, structure, and fluctuations, http://www.nobel.se/chemistry/laureates/...ecture.pdf
   
6. Wicken, Jeffrey S., 1979. The generation of complexity in evolution: A thermodynamic and information-theoretical discussion. Journal of Theoretical Biology 77: 349-365.
   

And it is impossible for the complex code of DNA to have just created itself from nothing with no intelligence. Recently, scientists discovered a second language written on top of the original language discovered that is responsible for controlling our genes. Who knows what they will discover next? https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/

Quote:The article says nothing about DNA code requiring intelligence to have evolved.

Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live or an immune system? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived?

Quote:Wrong!

1. The variety of life cycles is very great. It is not simply a matter of being sexual or asexual. There are many intermediate stages. A gradual origin, with each step favored by natural selection, is possible (Kondrashov 1997). The earliest steps involve single-celled organisms exchanging genetic information; they need not be distinct sexes. Males and females most emphatically would not evolve independently. Sex, by definition, depends on both male and female acting together. As sex evolved, there would have been some incompatibilities causing sterility (just as there are today), but these would affect individuals, not whole populations, and the genes that cause such incompatibility would rapidly be selected against.
   
   
2. Many hypotheses have been proposed for the evolutionary advantage of sex (Barton and Charlesworth 1998). There is good experimental support for some of these, including resistance to deleterious mutation load (Davies et al. 1999; Paland and Lynch 2006) and more rapid adaptation in a rapidly changing environment, especially to acquire resistance to parasites (Sá Martins 2000).
   
3. References:
   

1. Barton, N. H. and B. Charlesworth, 1998. Why sex and recombination? Science 281: 1986-1990.
   
2. Davies, E. K., A. D. Peters and P. D. Keightley, 1999. High frequency of cryptic deleterious mutations in Caenorhabditis elegans. Science 285: 1748-1751.
   
3. Kondrashov, Alexey S., 1997. Evolutionary genetics of life cycles. Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics 28: 391-435.
   
4. Paland, Susanne and Michael Lynch. 2006. Transitions to asexuality result in excess amino acid substitutions. Science 311: 990-992. See also: Nielsen, Rasmus. 2006. Why sex? Science 311: 960-961.
   
5. Sá Martins, J. S., 2000. Simulated coevolution in a mutating ecology. Physical Review E 61(3): R2212-R2215
   

Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies?

Quote:Irrelevant.

 Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

Quote:Nope. Planets evolve. The fact that the earth contains certain materials and resources is simply the product of its formation 93,000,000 miles from the sun.

(November 25, 2018 at 2:28 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:53 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Little do you know ediacaran fauna consisted entirely of sessile, highly intelligent organisms that devoted all their vast intellect over 50 million years entirely to contemplating the deepest secrets of the universe, and as a result of their prodigious feats of intellect transcended time and space and ascended to a higher plane 542 million years ago, leaving inferior lineages such as yours to claw out nasty, brutal and short existences on the savage little ball to the end of life’s time on earth.

So that's how you all ended up buried in turbidites!

Neither you nor Hallucigenia look like the navel-gazing type.

You are upside down about hallucigenia. We are not related at all. What is a navel?

(November 25, 2018 at 3:01 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 24, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Everena Wrote: This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence.




And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well.




Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KEVaCyaA

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_gallup_113367


And it is impossible for the complex code of DNA to have just created itself from nothing with no intelligence. Recently, scientists discovered a second language written on top of the original language discovered that is responsible for controlling our genes. Who knows what they will discover next? https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/



Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live or an immune system? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived?



Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies?



 Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

Quote:Nope. Planets evolve. The fact that the earth contains certain materials and resources is simply the product of its formation 93,000,000 miles from the sun.

So she repeats the same errors