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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 27, 2018 at 11:50 pm
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At work.
My point about fungii (Which only you are defining as plant) is that they eat organic matter.
Just like we eat organic matter.
Fungii are mobile..... just like we are mobile.....
So.... since you.seem quite happy to cross associate things at your whim....
Can we start indulging our whimsical notions with grouping things together?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 27, 2018 at 11:53 pm
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(November 27, 2018 at 10:53 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:Proving to atheists how wrong they are about literally almost everything? Absolutely it's what God wants!
Really ? When were you planning on starting that ? Did you plan on presenting your rubbish to Penrose ?
You just never care how stupid and ignorant you look, do you? One quick google search and you would have known I was right (for like the tenth time just discussing things with you)
The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and The Laws of Physics is a 1989 book by mathematical physicist Sir Roger Penrose.
Penrose argues that human consciousness is non-algorithmic, and thus is not capable of being modeled by a conventional Turing machine, which includes a digital computer. Penrose hypothesizes that quantum mechanics plays an essential role in the understanding of human consciousness. The collapse of the quantum wavefunction is seen as playing an important role in brain function.
The majority of the book is spent reviewing, for the scientifically minded layreader, a plethora of interrelated subjects such as Newtonian physics, special and general relativity, the philosophy and limitations of mathematics, quantum physics, cosmology, and the nature of time. Penrose intermittently describes how each of these bears on his developing theme: that consciousness is not "algorithmic". Only the later portions of the book address the thesis directly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Mind
(November 27, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:It was written to disprove the theories of the atheist artificial intelligence guys, and explained why they were totally wrong.
LMAO ... you fucking liar. There is not one word in that book that says anything of the sort. How about you quote chapter and verse from the book that says anything like that.
Wrong, as always. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze.
The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and The Laws of Physics is a 1989 book by mathematical physicist Sir Roger Penrose.
Penrose argues that human consciousness is non-algorithmic, and thus is not capable of being modeled by a conventional Turing machine, which includes a digital computer. Penrose hypothesizes that quantum mechanics plays an essential role in the understanding of human consciousness. The collapse of the quantum wavefunction is seen as playing an important role in brain function.
The majority of the book is spent reviewing, for the scientifically minded layreader, a plethora of interrelated subjects such as Newtonian physics, special and general relativity, the philosophy and limitations of mathematics, quantum physics, cosmology, and the nature of time. Penrose intermittently describes how each of these bears on his developing theme: that consciousness is not "algorithmic". Only the later portions of the book address the thesis directly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Mind
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 27, 2018 at 11:58 pm
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Quote:Explain how something "becomes complex" without a driving force of conscious intelligence.
Define complex, and tell us EXACTLY what is and is not complex. 10 examples of each should do. Get busy.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 28, 2018 at 12:00 am
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(November 27, 2018 at 11:50 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
My point about fungii (Which only you are defining as plant) is that they eat organic matter.
Just like we eat organic matter.
Fungii are mobile..... just like we are mobile.....
So.... since you.seem quite happy to cross associate things at your whim....
Can we start indulging our whimsical notions with grouping things together?
Well all life eats in a sense, but I would not compare a fungus to any form of conscious life.
And that only makes God more obvious. There is food on this planet to feed 11.7 million different species of life if you include plants and fungi. (and fungi only has one i)
(November 27, 2018 at 11:58 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:Explain how something "becomes complex" without a driving force of conscious intelligence.
Define complex, and tell us EXACTLY what is and is not complex. 10 examples of each should do. Get busy.
DNA is the subject as I stated in the part of my question that you cut off.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 28, 2018 at 12:07 am
At work.
(November 27, 2018 at 11:49 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 27, 2018 at 11:28 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Um.... Everena?
How well does your clarification of 'Plant-shrooms' go considering fungii are mobile while plants are photosynthetic?
Your penchance for redefing word use and terminology purely to sate your own whimsy is definately going to make meaningful communications harder.
Explain how something "becomes complex" without a driving force of conscious intelligence.
Hmmmm. It would seem you don't wish to be held to rigour with your word use.
My comment is ignored/dismissed such that you can ask yet another question. The answer to which is quite deep, profound and (Dare I reply with) complicated.
I would first seperate your sentence into;
"Driving force" followed by "Inteligence"
Any driving force can impart its momentum upon another medium.
(Flowery, colourful language on comming)
Streams shape stones.
Oceans shape cliffs.
Winds shape terrain (As well as sculpt trees)
All examples of your first point sheered clear of your inteligence addendum.
Does such poetic discourse meet with your approval?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 28, 2018 at 12:14 am
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Quote:Explain how something "becomes complex" without a driving force of conscious intelligence.
Argument from ignorance
(November 27, 2018 at 11:58 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:Explain how something "becomes complex" without a driving force of conscious intelligence.
Define complex, and tell us EXACTLY what is and is not complex. 10 examples of each should do. Get busy. And note how this doesn't back up here point that Penrose was trying to prove atheists (Something he himself is ) wrong .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 28, 2018 at 12:24 am
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(November 28, 2018 at 12:07 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(November 27, 2018 at 11:49 pm)Everena Wrote: Explain how something "becomes complex" without a driving force of conscious intelligence.
Hmmmm. It would seem you don't wish to be held to rigour with your word use.
My comment is ignored/dismissed such that you can ask yet another question. The answer to which is quite deep, profound and (Dare I reply with) complicated.
I would first seperate your sentence into;
"Driving force" followed by "Inteligence"
Any driving force can impart its momentum upon another medium.
(Flowery, colourful language on comming)
Streams shape stones.
Oceans shape cliffs.
Winds shape terrain (As well as sculpt trees)
All examples of your first point sheered clear of your inteligence addendum.
Does such poetic discourse meet with your approval? Strawman argument. Answer the actual question or admit defeat. And your comment about what? Fungi eating a dead carcass? What does that have to do with anything?
Quote:Explain how something "becomes complex" without a driving force of conscious intelligence.
(November 28, 2018 at 12:14 am)Amarok Wrote: Argument from ignorance
Its not an argument. It's a question. More specifically, explain how DNA became complex without a driving force of intelligence?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 28, 2018 at 12:31 am
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Quote:Strawman argument. Answer the actual question or admit defeat. And your comment about what? Fungi eating a dead carcass? What does that have to do with anything?
Wow snookums.
You seem a bit obsessed with the binary options.
Are you as simple-minded as your questions make you appear ? You seem to *need" to be on top.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 28, 2018 at 12:42 am
At work.
(November 28, 2018 at 12:24 am)Everena Wrote: (November 28, 2018 at 12:07 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Hmmmm. It would seem you don't wish to be held to rigour with your word use.
My comment is ignored/dismissed such that you can ask yet another question. The answer to which is quite deep, profound and (Dare I reply with) complicated.
I would first seperate your sentence into;
"Driving force" followed by "Inteligence"
Any driving force can impart its momentum upon another medium.
(Flowery, colourful language on comming)
Streams shape stones.
Oceans shape cliffs.
Winds shape terrain (As well as sculpt trees)
All examples of your first point sheered clear of your inteligence addendum.
Does such poetic discourse meet with your approval? Strawman argument. Answer the actual question or admit defeat. And your comment about what? Fungi eating a dead carcass? What does that have to do with anything?
What?
You quite readily redefine words and meanings simply to suit your fluffy feels.
You repeatedly post words then, when questioned for clarification or explanation, either ignore and ask for more of (usually) something else.
Or else run off and gather a popualrist book or other pamphlet to wave about such as if to garner some secretly agreed upon, though quite mysterious and perplexing, points....
Sometimes, of which, said compilations hail from as far away as the previous century.
It would seem that you would insist that only you are allowed to play with the rhetoric tools of prose. All the while insisting we respondants maintain our rigour with certitude and transparent verisimilitude.
I cast my glove down!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 28, 2018 at 12:52 am
Two jesus freaks, sitting in a tree.........
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