(November 28, 2018 at 1:14 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 5:25 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: I'm familiar with his biographical information as well as his article on two experiments in abiogenesis. However, you did not answer my question. Namely, has he ever had a scientific paper critical of modern evolutionary theory published in NATURE or any other legitimate peer-reviewed scientific journal? The petition he signed concerned Darwinism, not abiogenesis.

He has authored or co-authored 489 scientific publications and his name is on 36 patents. 

You STILL have not answered my question. Could it be because he has NEVER had a scientific paper critical of modern evolutionary theory published in NATURE or any other legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific journal? Could it be that evolutionary theory is outside of his field of expertise? He signed a statement against "Darwinism." What we're his objections based upon. Could it be nothing more than personal incredulity?

Why are you obfuscating? We await your reply.

(November 28, 2018 at 4:22 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:Everena: Playing a game? Nothing refutes it. I challenged you to find one part of any article that refutes it and you have nothing. They are published scientific discoveries.


Here is the Scientific Journal Human Evolution that it is published in. Live with it.

You are playing a game . It has been refuted . Your challenge is invalid. I already refuted it . Yes published science that got wrong . 

Read the article and already posted responses that show you are wrong . Live with it

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Macroevulation has not been refuted

No kidding, This is just one more step in the right direction though, in addition to the tree of life coming undone. We will see what the future holds. You will never be able to prove conclusively that one species turned into an entirely different species, but we may now be able to prove it did not happen.

(November 28, 2018 at 5:13 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 1:14 pm)Everena Wrote: He has authored or co-authored 489 scientific publications and his name is on 36 patents. 

You STILL have not answered my question. Could it be because he has NEVER had a scientific paper critical of modern evolutionary theory published in NATURE or any other legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific journal? Could it be that evolutionary theory is outside of his field of expertise? He signed a statement against "Darwinism." What we're his objections based upon. Could it be nothing more than personal incredulity?

Why are you obfuscating? We await your reply.

I'm still waiting for an introduction thread.

(November 28, 2018 at 5:19 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 4:22 pm)Amarok Wrote: You are playing a game . It has been refuted . Your challenge is invalid. I already refuted it . Yes published science that got wrong . 

Read the article and already posted responses that show you are wrong . Live with it

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Macroevulation has not been refuted

No kidding, This is just one more step in the right direction though, in addition to the tree of life coming undone. We will see what the future holds. You will never be able to prove conclusively that one species turned into an entirely different species, but we may now be able to prove it did not happen.

It's great to see macroevolution unraveling at the seems.

(November 28, 2018 at 4:42 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 1:07 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Sorry, but  don't feel like chewing your food for you today.

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What did God tell man would happen if he ate from the magical knowledgeberry bush? What did the serpent say would happen? And what actually happened?

God lied like a cheap rug.

They did end up dying as God said they would.

Of old age. The only instance in the entire Bible where God threatens to kill somebody and doesn't turn them into a fun-sized salt lick for disobedience.

(November 28, 2018 at 5:13 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 1:14 pm)Everena Wrote: He has authored or co-authored 489 scientific publications and his name is on 36 patents. 

You STILL have not answered my question. Could it be because he has NEVER had a scientific paper critical of modern evolutionary theory published in NATURE or any other legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific journal? Could it be that evolutionary theory is outside of his field of expertise? He signed a statement against "Darwinism." What we're his objections based upon. Could it be nothing more than personal incredulity?

Why are you obfuscating? We await your reply.

What he is saying is that one species turning into an entirely different species has not been proven and does not even seem possible. So he challenged any scientist with an understanding of it, to come explain to him how it could ever possibly happen at the molecular level. No one has ever been able to.

"But about seven or eight years ago I posted on my Web site that I don’t understand. And I said, “I will buy lunch for anyone that will sit with me and explain to me evolution, and I won’t argue with you until I don’t understand something – I will ask you to clarify. But you can’t wave by and say, “This enzyme does that.” You’ve got to get down in the details of where molecules are built, for me. Nobody has come forward.

The Atheist Society contacted me. They said that they will buy the lunch, and they challenged the Atheist Society, “Go down to Houston and have lunch with this guy, and talk to him.” Nobody has come! Now remember, because I’m just going to ask, when I stop understanding what you’re talking about, I will ask. So I sincerely want to know. I would like to believe it. But I just can’t.

Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom."

(November 28, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 4:42 pm)CDF47 Wrote: They did end up dying as God said they would.

Of old age. The only instance in the entire Bible where God threatens to kill somebody and doesn't turn them into a fun-sized salt lick for disobedience.

Immortality for tribal Jews (as in most tribal cultures) does not consist in personally living forever. It consists in a continuity of male off-spring and descendants.
Adam (in the story) had that. He was immortal, in that culture ... so no. He didn't die. Individuality (as an idea) did not arise in Hebrew culture until after the Exile.

(November 28, 2018 at 5:38 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 5:13 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: You STILL have not answered my question. Could it be because he has NEVER had a scientific paper critical of modern evolutionary theory published in NATURE or any other legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific journal? Could it be that evolutionary theory is outside of his field of expertise? He signed a statement against "Darwinism." What we're his objections based upon. Could it be nothing more than personal incredulity?

Why are you obfuscating? We await your reply.

What he is saying is that one species turning into an entirely different species has not been proven and does not even seem possible. So he challenged any scientist with an understanding of it, to come explain to him how it could ever possibly happen at the molecular level. No one has ever been able to.

"But about seven or eight years ago I posted on my Web site that I don’t understand. And I said, “I will buy lunch for anyone that will sit with me and explain to me evolution, and I won’t argue with you until I don’t understand something – I will ask you to clarify. But you can’t wave by and say, “This enzyme does that.” You’ve got to get down in the details of where molecules are built, for me. Nobody has come forward.

[size= medium]The Atheist Society contacted me. They said that they will buy the lunch, and they challenged the Atheist Society, “Go down to Houston and have lunch with this guy, and talk to him.” Nobody has come! Now remember, because I’m just going to ask, when I stop understanding what you’re talking about, I will ask. So I sincerely want to know. I would like to believe it. But I just can’t.
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[size= medium]Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom."
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Thompson Twin song.

Guess which one...

(November 28, 2018 at 5:38 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 5:13 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: You STILL have not answered my question. Could it be because he has NEVER had a scientific paper critical of modern evolutionary theory published in NATURE or any other legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific journal? Could it be that evolutionary theory is outside of his field of expertise? He signed a statement against "Darwinism." What we're his objections based upon. Could it be nothing more than personal incredulity?

Why are you obfuscating? We await your reply.

What he is saying is that one species turning into an entirely different species has not been proven and does not even seem possible. So he challenged any scientist with an understanding of it, to come explain to him how it could ever possibly happen at the molecular level. No one has ever been able to.

"But about seven or eight years ago I posted on my Web site that I don’t understand. And I said, “I will buy lunch for anyone that will sit with me and explain to me evolution, and I won’t argue with you until I don’t understand something – I will ask you to clarify. But you can’t wave by and say, “This enzyme does that.” You’ve got to get down in the details of where molecules are built, for me. Nobody has come forward.

[size=undefined]The Atheist Society contacted me. They said that they will buy the lunch, and they challenged the Atheist Society, “Go down to Houston and have lunch with this guy, and talk to him.” Nobody has come! Now remember, because I’m just going to ask, when I stop understanding what you’re talking about, I will ask. So I sincerely want to know. I would like to believe it. But I just can’t.
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[size=undefined]Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom."
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So, his objections are based upon personal incredulity and nothing more. You have no case.

(November 28, 2018 at 5:38 pm)Everena Wrote: Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom."

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This betrays an inherent lack of understanding of what evolution is.... that or he is being disingenuous for some agenda.