(November 28, 2018 at 7:05 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 7:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: That case was a joke and should have never happened.

No, it shouldn't have happened.

Parents and teachers have no right to push a pseudo-science like ID into public schools and try to claim it's fact.

But they keep trying, hence the reason yrials like this happen.  Decent parents keeping religious claims disguised (badly) as "science" out of schools.

Oh yeah, the agenda.  I don't think so.  Children should be allowed to hear the contradictory views of science and not the BS that is crammed down their throat.  I wonder why they never talk about FBI Cointelpro in high school history or CIA MK Ultra.

(November 28, 2018 at 8:16 pm)Aegon Wrote: Almost 1000 pages. Wow.

The planet will dissolve before the ignorance of creationists is overcome.

(November 28, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Wololo Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 7:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: That case was a joke and should have never happened.

You're right.  Advocating creatardism under the guise of id and then trying to force it on kids though a court case was a sick joke.

Well at least proceedings showed that the likes of Behe had nothing worthwhile to add to biology.  In fact as Behe was under oath he had to admit that irreducable complexity was a lie. So the trial wasn't a total waste, it forced liars and idiots to face the truth for once and admit evolution was the only game in town.

Nah, the whole trial was BS to begin with.  Where did you hear Behe state irreducible complexity was a lie?

(November 28, 2018 at 8:15 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 1:20 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: No they aren't and you're wrong again. Most animals are not conscious, so the distance there is zero.


Sponges, jellyfish, barnacles, sea cucumbers... There are birds that will gleefully beat their brains out attacking their reflection. The list of conscious animals would be a damned sight shorter.

The fact that consciousness is difficult to define means that it's a lousy criteria for classification, which is why nobody uses it. If you use poorly defined criteria then all of your classifications reduce to mere opinions.

All of those animals are conscious except perhaps sponges (that are basically plants too- yeah I said it). What exactly makes someone like you think they aren't?

By what definition of the term is a barnacle conscious?

(November 28, 2018 at 5:44 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 5:38 pm)Everena Wrote: Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom."

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This betrays an inherent lack of understanding of what evolution is.... that or he is being disingenuous for some agenda.

He is saying macroevolution does not seem possible at the molecular level and no scientist in the world is able to explain to him how it possibly could be, so he is very skeptical of it and thinks science should be more honest about its huge gaps in knowledge.

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(November 28, 2018 at 6:07 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 5:58 pm)Everena Wrote: You're favorite theory is being disproven piece by piece and bit by bit. Live with it.

Somebody overturned General Relativity while I wasn't looking?

Tell me, how many universities teach ID outside of there theology program? Biola?

That is left to the parents because there is a separation of church and state (at least here in the United States) but the country of Turkey and the country of Israel have both decided to stop teaching evolution in their public schools. This was the first semester without it for Turkey.

(November 28, 2018 at 8:17 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 8:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: You haven't even clicked the link have you?

No, I'm saying that I'm not doing all your thinking for you today. You can't seem to figure out what fungi are or what speciation is, so discussing complexity and emergent behaviour with you will be a bit like bike racing against an oyster.

I read the paper. It in no way addresses my question and you quite obviously cannot come up with any answer.

Do you understand complexity yet?

(November 28, 2018 at 8:22 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 7:05 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: No, it shouldn't have happened.

Parents and teachers have no right to push a pseudo-science like ID into public schools and try to claim it's fact.

But they keep trying, hence the reason yrials like this happen.  Decent parents keeping religious claims disguised (badly) as "science" out of schools.

Oh yeah, the agenda.  I don't think so.  Children should be allowed to hear the contradictory views of science and not the BS that is crammed down their throat.  I wonder why they never talk about FBI Cointelpro in high school history or CIA MK Ultra.

You want to teach YOUR children contradictory views to actual, established science, you fucking go for it. Don't try to push your bullshit on everyone elses kids and try to call it fucking science.

ID is a CLAIM. Not even a scientific theory.

But, once again, it's amazing how you morons play the fucking victim or claim "conspiracy" when judgements go against YOUR agenda.

Boo -fucking - hoo. The vast majority of scientists accepts evolution because it has overwhelming supporting evidence. It is testable, verifiable, and observable. Whereas ID is accepted by some people who don't have qualifications in the required field and perhaps a handful of people who do.

I suppose you would support prayer or faith "healing" over modern medicine, too.

(November 28, 2018 at 8:27 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:07 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Somebody overturned General Relativity while I wasn't looking?

Tell me, how many universities teach ID outside of there theology program? Biola?

That is left to the parents because there is a separation of church and state (at least here in the United States) but the country of Turkey and the country of Israel have both decided to stop teaching evolution in their public schools. This was the first semester without it for Turkey.

That should tell you that ID isn't science. It's religion.

(November 28, 2018 at 6:59 pm)Wololo Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:51 pm)Everena Wrote: So... that is your argument? You have no argument for any of my logic so you think insulting me will make you look cool? LMFAO. Argue it or leave me alone.

In order to argue your logic you have to first display logic.  You're just spouting meaningless bullshit.

No need for me to argue meaningless bullshit, it is self defeating.

Yeah, you have no argument and you aren't smart enough to do anything other than type baseless, unfounded insults to random people.

(November 28, 2018 at 8:30 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 8:22 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Oh yeah, the agenda.  I don't think so.  Children should be allowed to hear the contradictory views of science and not the BS that is crammed down their throat.  I wonder why they never talk about FBI Cointelpro in high school history or CIA MK Ultra.

You want to teach YOUR children contradictory views to actual, established science, you fucking go for it.  Don't try to push your bullshit on everyone elses kids and try to call it fucking science.

ID is a CLAIM.  Not even a scientific theory.

But, once again, it's amazing how you morons play the fucking victim or claim "conspiracy" when judgements go against YOUR agenda.

The judge was a church-going conservative appointed by Dubya. If you can't win with that much of an advantage then you don't have much of a hope. Naturally, he got death threats for his ruling.