I have no idea why you guys are bothering 

(November 29, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Everena Wrote: Things that happen spontaneously how? Explain how the big rock in your front yard could spontaneously create a universe and all conscious life.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Things happen spontaneously and randomly in the big rock all the time.  

I would argue that no they don't and there is absolutely no logical premise for anything happening at all without some form of consciousness and intelligence. On this planet, things that move and create other things are conscious and intelligent.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: This is the essence of quantum mechanics.  

I don't agree. Quantum mechanics is a field of study based only on our observations of a universe that is already existing and operating.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You need to understand “cause” is not a fundamental aspect of reality.
 At its deepest level, things don’t happen for any reason or through any mechanism.  

Again there is no logically sound premise for that in our observable environment here on planet earth.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Cause is just a broad, reasonably predictive mental model of how things behave on a large scale:  humans are hardwired to perceive things in terms of cause and effect because until recently,

Humans are hardwired by who?

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: all human senses can only perceive things on a large scale where the mental model of cause and effect seems to almost always hold true, and it was sufficiently good to give those with the hardwired model a cognitive and survival advantage.

Right, so you are admitting there is no logically sound premise for any of this.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: But examination of contituents of matter and energy at atomic and sub-atomic level, possible since early last century, makes it clear the smaller the scale of things you observe, the more the concept of mechanism, cause and effect as hardwaired into typical human brain fails as a predictive descriptor of reality.  
It appears at its most basic and smallest level, there is really no cause and effect and no mechanism.

According to who? Citation please.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:   There is only collective behavior of particles.  

Behavior is a conscious act or is caused by a consciuos act. That rock in your front yard does not exibit any behavior.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You can scream against this reality,

I'm not screaming against reality because the reality you are pretending exists is literally not even possible.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: but that’s because you foolishly trust a mental model the evolved in monkeys and served adaquate when your ancesters were still bashing rocks together, just because that mental model  still comes naturally and intuitively to one everena whose perspicacity and knowledge is vastly overestimated by one everena.  

It is spelled ancestors. And I am merely using my own God given logic. I am not relying on the totally illogical and literally impossible atheist hypotheses that only the most incredibly unintelligent men have come up with.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: So things are happening spontaneously in your big rock without cause (not just without known cause) all the time.

Nope, not buying it. Not even possible.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:    Each occurance is unpredictable in itself, but the outcome accumulated over large number of samples follow verifiable probabilistic distribution.

A large number of samples of what? Be specific.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: If you know anything at all about probability, then you would know the larger the number of fundamentally similar but individually unpredictable event is examined, the more predictable is the sum of all the effect of the all these events when examined in total.

Events that occured how? Events do not occur without conscious and intelligent action. A rock by itself could not cause any event to occur ever. That makes the probability of it happening without consciousness or intelligence involved ZERO.

(November 29, 2018 at 6:09 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Alexa, where does the information in DNA come from?

Alexa, why is the world filled with wonderful, tasty food?

Alexa, what caused the Big Bang?

Alexa, are we really related to monkeys?
 - My name is Siri you fucking monkeyspawn!

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(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Everena Wrote: I don't have an imaginary friend. God is very obvious to anyone who thinks about it and questions why?

Yes, I'm sure you're a big girl and far too mature to believe in fairies.

And she will return spew her dogma then you'll explain more or refute it again and spew it again. It's as i said .

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Things happen spontaneously and randomly in the big rock all the time.  

I would argue that no they don't

Then you would be wrong. Hardly the first time.

Quote:and there is absolutely no logical premise for anything happening at all without some form of consciousness and intelligence.

There is hard data.

Quote:I don't agree. Quantum mechanics is a field of study based only on our observations of a universe that is already existing and operating.

You agreement is worth less than nothing. What other universe do you propose we observe? Derpity-Derp-Derp!

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(November 29, 2018 at 6:25 pm)Amarok Wrote: And she will return spew her dogma then you'll explain more or refute it again and spew it again. It's as i said .

I don't doubt it, but those took 30 seconds on Google and I'm having fun trolling her.

(November 29, 2018 at 6:29 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Everena Wrote: I would argue that no they don't

Then you would be wrong. Hardly the first time.

Quote:and there is absolutely no logical premise for anything happening at all without some form of consciousness and intelligence.

There is hard data.

Quote:I don't agree. Quantum mechanics is a field of study based only on our observations of a universe that is already existing and operating.

You agreement is worth less than nothing. What other universe do you propose we observe? Derpity-Derp-Derp!

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(November 29, 2018 at 6:25 pm)Amarok Wrote: And she will return spew her dogma then you'll explain more or refute it again and spew it again. It's as i said .

I don't doubt it, but those took 30 seconds on Google and I'm having fun trolling her.

Oh very good only real way you can do this

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Amarok Wrote: I have no idea why you guys are bothering 

What are you so afraid of?

(November 29, 2018 at 6:33 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Amarok Wrote: I have no idea why you guys are bothering 

What are you so afraid of?

You confuse fear with knowledge

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Everena Wrote: Things that happen spontaneously how? Explain how the big rock in your front yard could spontaneously create a universe and all conscious life.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Things happen spontaneously and randomly in the big rock all the time.  

I would argue that no they don't and there is absolutely no logical premise for anything happening at all without some form of consciousness and intelligence. On this planet, things that move and create other things are conscious and intelligent.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: This is the essence of quantum mechanics.  

I don't agree. Quantum mechanics is a field of study based only on our observations of a universe that is already existing and operating.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You need to understand “cause” is not a fundamental aspect of reality.
 At its deepest level, things don’t happen for any reason or through any mechanism.  

Again there is no logically sound premise for that in our observable environment here on planet earth.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Cause is just a broad, reasonably predictive mental model of how things behave on a large scale:  humans are hardwired to perceive things in terms of cause and effect because until recently,

Humans are hardwired by who?

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: all human senses can only perceive things on a large scale where the mental model of cause and effect seems to almost always hold true, and it was sufficiently good to give those with the hardwired model a cognitive and survival advantage.

Right, so you are admitting there is no logically sound premise for any of this.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: But examination of contituents of matter and energy at atomic and sub-atomic level, possible since early last century, makes it clear the smaller the scale of things you observe, the more the concept of mechanism, cause and effect as hardwaired into typical human brain fails as a predictive descriptor of reality.  
It appears at its most basic and smallest level, there is really no cause and effect and no mechanism.

According to who? Citation please.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:   There is only collective behavior of particles.  

Behavior is a conscious act or is caused by a consciuos act. That rock in your front yard does not exibit any behavior.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You can scream against this reality,

I'm not screaming against reality because the reality you are pretending exists is literally not even possible.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: but that’s because you foolishly trust a mental model the evolved in monkeys and served adaquate when your ancesters were still bashing rocks together, just because that mental model  still comes naturally and intuitively to one everena whose perspicacity and knowledge is vastly overestimated by one everena.  

It is spelled ancestors. And I am merely using my own God given logic. I am not relying on the totally illogical and literally impossible atheist hypotheses that only the most incredibly unintelligent men have come up with.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: So things are happening spontaneously in your big rock without cause (not just without known cause) all the time.

Nope, not buying it. Not even possible.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:    Each occurance is unpredictable in itself, but the outcome accumulated over large number of samples follow verifiable probabilistic distribution.

A large number of samples of what? Be specific.

(November 29, 2018 at 5:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: If you know anything at all about probability, then you would know the larger the number of fundamentally similar but individually unpredictable event is examined, the more predictable is the sum of all the effect of the all these events when examined in total.

Events that occured how? Events do not occur without conscious and intelligent action. A rock by itself could not cause any event to occur ever. That makes the probability of it happening without consciousness or intelligence involved ZERO.

You are truly dense.

I just got done explaining to you why nothing fundamentally needs intelligence, and Nothing can even theoretically possibly need intelligence because the very concept of intelligence completely collapses if you look rigorously at deeper level of what alledged makes up intelligence.  So it is just a bucket arbitrarily selected for convience in crudely classifying things in primitive mental model of all that happens in reality. if you strip away the concepts adopted for convenience, there is not such fundamentally coherent concept as intelligence.  Intelligence itself is nothing more than a an arbitrarily selected subset of spontaneous processes that follow the same probabilistic quantum laws as everything else In reality, producing a vaguely and arbitrarily selected set of quantum mechanically governed outcomes that are in principle no different from anything else produced in reality.

(November 29, 2018 at 6:33 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Amarok Wrote: I have no idea why you guys are bothering 

What are you so afraid of?

Why do you think it's fear? Not all of us hate our brain cells.

Things happen spontaneously and randomly in the big rock all the time.

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Everena Wrote: I would argue that no they don't.

(November 29, 2018 at 6:29 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Then you would be wrong. Hardly the first time.

Oh really? Prove it.

(November 29, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Everena Wrote: and there is absolutely no logical premise for anything happening at all without some form of consciousness and intelligence.

(November 29, 2018 at 6:29 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: There is hard data.

Oh really? Let's see this hard data.
I'll be waiting for you to produce it.