(December 5, 2018 at 12:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 4, 2018 at 11:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Do you have a quick and specific question?

Sure, if the facts are as documented in the article you quoted, why bring up irreducible complexity at all?  Even your own author says it's of no use to intelligent design.

(December 5, 2018 at 6:00 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(November 30, 2018 at 9:17 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Poor NeverAgaina dropped just shy of the big 1k mark. We tried to warn her there was no lasting power in microtubules.

She was amusing no doubt 

Using Atheist Roger Penrose to supposedly refute atheists 

Using Evolution supporting scientists to supposedly refute the theory which would the two of them famous  . Because she latched onto some sentences that supposedly support Creationism. Then spinning some yarn about scientists having to use evolution though supposedly it refuted it .  

Using people studying Abiogenisis to say it's been refuted

Quote:She was a good poster.  Sucks she got banned.  I wonder what she did to get banned.  If a moderator sees this if they could PM me I would appreciate it?  It must have been posting those videos but she stopped when she was told to.

Quote:Ultimately the main factor was her moving goalposts and all her posts being in that one thread. Usually people who want to discuss stuff properly don’t do that. Admittedly it took us a while, hopefully we’ll be quicker in the future.

Not saying that you can’t sign up and post in only one thread, btw, but we’d obviously appreciate it if you enjoy the many other threads the community has to offer!

Quote:All i care about in that article I posted was the definition.  I don't care about anything else in that article.  Irreducible complexity is of use to intelligent design.  These molecular machines are so complex and specified that if one part of a machine fails the entire system fails.  I am sure they have redundancies built in but the point is these machines are designed for sure.

(December 5, 2018 at 9:19 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:She was a good poster.  Sucks she got banned.  I wonder what she did to get banned.  If a moderator sees this if they could PM me I would appreciate it?  It must have been posting those videos but she stopped when she was told to.

She was an awful poster and i'm happy she's gone . As for why Tibs  answered this in the peanuts gallery and his word is final 

Quote:Ultimately the main factor was her moving goalposts and all her posts being in that one thread. Usually people who want to discuss stuff properly don’t do that. Admittedly it took us a while, hopefully we’ll be quicker in the future.

Not saying that you can’t sign up and post in only one thread, btw, but we’d obviously appreciate it if you enjoy the many other threads the community has to offer!

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Quote:All i care about in that article I posted was the definition.  I don't care about anything else in that article.  Irreducible complexity is of use to intelligent design.  These molecular machines are so complex and specified that if one part of a machine fails the entire system fails.  I am sure they have redundancies built in but the point is these machines are designed for sure.

Jorm already addressed this so fail

(December 5, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 5, 2018 at 6:00 pm)Amarok Wrote: She was amusing no doubt 

Using Atheist Roger Penrose to supposedly refute atheists 

Using Evolution supporting scientists to supposedly refute the theory which would the two of them famous  . Because she latched onto some sentences that supposedly support Creationism. Then spinning some yarn about scientists having to use evolution though supposedly it refuted it .  

Using people studying Abiogenisis to say it's been refuted

She was a good poster.  Sucks she got banned.  I wonder what she did to get banned.  If a moderator sees this if they could PM me I would appreciate it?  It must have been posting those videos but she stopped when she was told to.

(December 6, 2018 at 12:07 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 5, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: She was a good poster.  Sucks she got banned.  I wonder what she did to get banned.  If a moderator sees this if they could PM me I would appreciate it?  It must have been posting those videos but she stopped when she was told to.

Staff generally don't comment on staff actions beyond that in the staff log.

(December 6, 2018 at 12:10 am)no one Wrote: Everena was caught unaware by the daylight and turned to stone. Confirming the suspicions of her trollness.

(December 5, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: She was a good poster.  Sucks she got banned.  I wonder what she did to get banned.  If a moderator sees this if they could PM me I would appreciate it?  It must have been posting those videos but she stopped when she was told to.

(December 6, 2018 at 1:15 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: An argument against the existence of CDFGod god by way of intelligent design.

First, my definition.

Intelligence is a force, F, that acts so as to maximize future freedom of action. It acts to maximize future freedom of action, or keep options open, with some strength T, with the diversity of possible accessible futures, S up to some future time horizon, τ.

F = T ∇ S

Here are my assumptions.  


1. Design is only explicable in terms of intelligence.

2. We are designed.

3. CDFgod is asserted to be the existent intelligence(1) responsible for our design(2).

4. A necessary property of CDFgod's existence (3) is that our design (2) is explained by it's intelligence (1)

Here are my assertions.  Evolutionary processes are just such a force F.  They act to maximize future freedom of action, or keep options open, with the strength T of replication, and the diversity of possible accessible futures S of modification, up to the future time horizon t in which no further evolutionary processes are possible.  

Now, my inference.  Because we have been designed, and because the intelligence responsible for that design is evolutionary process, our design is explained by an intelligence other than CDFgods....ergo it lacks a necessary property of it's existence, and so...does not exist.  

(December 6, 2018 at 1:35 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(December 5, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: She was a good poster.  Sucks she got banned.  I wonder what she did to get banned.  If a moderator sees this if they could PM me I would appreciate it?  It must have been posting those videos but she stopped when she was told to.

She was a psychiatric case, but no one who hears of miracle of Christianity would surprised by Christians seeking validation in mental illness.

(December 6, 2018 at 1:57 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I wasn't really following this thread, but I thought her banning was odd.  I suppose one doesn't have to be causing any harm to be trolling, but what I saw of her, she operated on the borderline, pretty much kept to this one thread, and was insulting but not solely insulting.  I don't have access to the staff's deliberations, but given what little I know, I wouldn't have voted to take disciplinary action, or would have advocated a less severe disciplinary action.  But then, I've been ignoring this thread for some time.  I may not have all the facts.  Matter of fact, I'm sure I don't have all the facts.  Troll or not, she seemed harmless enough, and people liked to engage with her.