(December 12, 2018 at 9:25 am)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 9:18 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Black Wolf who was named later named "Romeo" comes out of woods because it wanted to play.  Then started playing with other dogs.  Had a piece of styrofoam it started bringing to humans so it could play fetch.

By the mans own admission it was a rare instance

Of course, but they learned more about the nature of wolves.

(December 12, 2018 at 9:34 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 9:25 am)Amarok Wrote: By the mans own admission it was a rare instance

Of course, but they learned more about the nature of wolves.

They learned more about a wolf 

(December 12, 2018 at 9:41 am)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 9:34 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Of course, but they learned more about the nature of wolves.

They learned more about a wolf 

Yep. There ya go. That was a real black wolf.

(December 12, 2018 at 10:12 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 9:41 am)Amarok Wrote: They learned more about a wolf 

Yep. There ya go. That was a real black wolf.

All that says is one wolf acted a certain way that's generalization of the species

(December 12, 2018 at 11:18 am)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 10:12 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Yep. There ya go. That was a real black wolf.

All that says is one wolf acted a certain way that's generalization of the species

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(December 12, 2018 at 11:28 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 11:18 am)Amarok Wrote: All that says is one wolf acted a certain way that's generalization of the species

How many wolves do you need?

Most animals aren't offensively aggressive by nature.  Almost all tend to be aggressive when they are being defensive or what they consider their territory or when they are hunting specific prey as food.  Many even try to use bluffing techniques so they don't have to engage with aggression.

If a solo wolf comes across some humans, it's probably just going to be curious and not assert much as long as you don't give it any negative attention.  They're just like any other creature that feels the need for attention and affection.

The first says wild life center . The second doesn't seem all that friendly . And not i never said wolves can't be semi domesticated i said you can't trust them because their still a wild animal .

(December 12, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Amarok Wrote: The first says wild life center . The second doesn't seem all that friendly . And not i never said wolves can't be semi domesticated i said you can't trust them because their still a wild animal .

You just have to speak their language.  People aren't a native food source to them.  If you're a rabbit, then maybe start to worry.  Wolves follow an order.  If approached by one, you don't violate what they assume to be that order unless you want to risk confrontation.  Same as the wolf with the dog.  He submits to the dog because he falls lower in the order they have assumed.  Any attempts to retaliate are minimal, and the dog doesn't have to do too much to take him down because the wolf is intelligent enough to go down on its own rather than risk a confrontation. It doesn't mean they don't get along, but as soon as that wolf tries to assert dominance, it's risking a fight it don't want to be in.  Wolves are different than dogs in that regard.  If a wolf feels threatened and isolated, there's a good chance it will run.  Many dog breeds will fight to the death, especially ones like Shepherds, which is why they put them in pastures to protect sheep.

Well, if Max can't make substantive arguments addressing real issues, at least he can argue ad nauseum about metaphorical violence and other irrelevant matters.

(December 12, 2018 at 12:41 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Amarok Wrote: The first says wild life center . The second doesn't seem all that friendly . And not i never said wolves can't be semi domesticated i said you can't trust them because their still a wild animal .

You just have to speak their language.  People aren't a native food source to them.  If you're a rabbit, then maybe start to worry.  Wolves follow an order.  If approached by one, you don't violate what they assume to be that order unless you want to risk confrontation.  Same as the wolf with the dog.  He submits to the dog because he falls lower in the order they have assumed.  Any attempts to retaliate are minimal, and the dog doesn't have to do too much to take him down because the wolf is intelligent enough to go down on its own rather than risk a confrontation. It doesn't mean they don't get along, but as soon as that wolf tries to assert dominance, it's risking a fight it don't want to be in.  Wolves are different than dogs in that regard.  If a wolf feels threatened and isolated, there's a good chance it will run.  Many dog breeds will fight to the death, especially ones like Shepherds, which is why they put them in pastures to protect sheep.

1. Their still a wild animal you can domesticated them but they will never fully be a pet  so wouldn't suggest wonder through woods looking for a friend  

2. Wolves are still stronger and have do kill shepherds

3. Wolves cooperate dogs submit
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/08/...y-suggests

https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-an...erarchies/

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(December 12, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Well, if Max can't make substantive arguments addressing real issues, at least he can argue ad nauseum about metaphorical violence and other irrelevant matters.

You are right this thread has moved way off course

(December 12, 2018 at 5:50 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:41 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: You just have to speak their language.  People aren't a native food source to them.  If you're a rabbit, then maybe start to worry.  Wolves follow an order.  If approached by one, you don't violate what they assume to be that order unless you want to risk confrontation.  Same as the wolf with the dog.  He submits to the dog because he falls lower in the order they have assumed.  Any attempts to retaliate are minimal, and the dog doesn't have to do too much to take him down because the wolf is intelligent enough to go down on its own rather than risk a confrontation. It doesn't mean they don't get along, but as soon as that wolf tries to assert dominance, it's risking a fight it don't want to be in.  Wolves are different than dogs in that regard.  If a wolf feels threatened and isolated, there's a good chance it will run.  Many dog breeds will fight to the death, especially ones like Shepherds, which is why they put them in pastures to protect sheep.

1. Their still a wild animal you can domesticated them but they will never fully be a pet  so wouldn't suggest wonder through woods looking for a friend  

2. Wolves are still stronger and have do kill shepherds

3. Wolves cooperate dogs submit
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/08/...y-suggests

https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-an...erarchies/

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(December 12, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Well, if Max can't make substantive arguments addressing real issues, at least he can argue ad nauseum about metaphorical violence and other irrelevant matters.

You are right this thread has moved way off course

I agree, but it has nothing to do with the context I used.  It's referring to packs of dogs compared against packs of wolves and their behavior without those packs.  Now throw a wolf in with a dog, and it will submit.  But dogs with other dogs, the "lesser" dogs usually submit to the alpha.  Wolves are definitely known for working together in achieving tasks.  Here is a video of a wolf with some dogs, and it gets a little too friendly with a Caucasian Shepherd, and instantly submits as soon as the Shepherd indicated it needed to back off.  About the 1:25 mark.