Huggy uses the dictionary like a foot fetishist uses your peds. He's only interested in his onanistic pleasures, even at the expense of the larger body.

(December 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:32 pm)Whateverist Wrote: This is what comes of arguing over poorly defined terms.  If I think what gives rise to god belief is an aspect of mind/consciousness, something that is altogether natural, and I say I think there is in fact something to it, then which am I?  I identify as atheist because I don't call that aspect of mind "God" and I certainly don't believe in anything at all supernatural, whatever you choose to call it.  However I do think this aspect of mind can productively be regarded as something of importance.  It is something separate from the narrow I under my direct control, but something larger of which I am part.  Religion, done right (which it rarely is), can help people achieve a balance within this larger thing of which "narrow I" is a part - and it can do this even if what they literally believe is entirely untrue.

Let's reword the definition for theist then.

Theist: one who professes belief in at least one god.

Yeah, that looks like the same definition I use. But it isn't "theism/atheism" here that I think is poorly defined, but rather what it is that "God/gods" refers to.

(December 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Grandizer Wrote: An atheist therefore is one who does not profess belief in any god. If someone considers the universe to be "God", that's them professing a belief in a god, which makes them a theist.

The example of the person who thinks God = the universe still has something in mind by equating the universe with God which remains unexplained and I don't see the point of the statement. How does God=universe explain the sense of communion people feel with God? With or without God/gods I'm already in touch with the universe.

(December 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Grandizer Wrote: As an atheist, I can accept that such a theist may consider the universe to be "God" or believe in God in a metaphoric way, but I need not share the same attitude myself.

Of course not. But I wonder what you think informs and confirms what it theists believe in which goes by the G word, aside from it being a mistake that is. I think it is a mistake too but I don't think is is just a mistake.

(December 12, 2018 at 3:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You "conveniently" left off the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts ... They DO have an ideology. So it appears you lose again.

It's clear you didn't bother reading my post because I addressed them separately, and yes they are considered religious...

And it's clear you can't even understand what you're reading.

The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts do not identify themselves as a religion.
" loyalty to the religion that expresses them and acceptance of the duties resulting" ...

that means that the Scouts want them to be loyal their THEIR OWN religions.

You also conveniently didn't answer about Marxism and socialism .... both ideologies.

Your wasting time bucky Huggy's so desperate to and stretch definitions to a point they become meaningless

"We don't believe there are any gods" but we also "don't believe there are no Gods". Then which God do u believe in? Very confused are these atheists. The determination to redefine a simple definition with false grammar is amazing. What is the motivation...

The blatent contradiction of these statements are so ridiculous only one person has given a good argument for this while the rest continue to be driven by emotion.

No belief in no God. This is a double negative and as a grammatical rule is a positive.
And so means belief in a God.

What is the purpose of argument for people here?
Are u looking to gain knowledge?
Are you looking to find common ground?
Are you looking to understand different perspectives?
Are you looking to impose ur ideology?
Are you looking to win the argument?

Sorry if I'm not giving you your due, Agnostico, but so far you're coming off as nothing more than an arrogant and smugly superior dickhead.