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Is atheism a belief?
RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 12, 2018 at 1:10 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(December 11, 2018 at 11:31 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: A-theism is one thing. A LACK of something.
A lack of one thing.
Just like a-symmetry. No symmetry.
Just like a-symptomatic. No symptoms.
A-theism. No belief in the gods.

It's really not that difficult.

(Your values really aren't "Christian". "Do unto others ..... " and "Love your neighbor as yourself" did not originate with Christianity.)


How ignorant you are. 
I realize you are totally ignorant of history ... but since the 1950's when "atheistic Communism" was the name of the day, and Madelyn Murray O'Hare was demonized, 
humans have found their opinions of the deities derided, and equated with being evil. The fact they find value in an organization, is not really surprising.

IF you equate atheism with religion, you seem to have a VERY POOR opinion of religion, and what constitutes it. Is a golfing organization a religion ? Apparently you think so.

Fine, don't listen to me, listen to them.


https://www.sundayassembly.com/story

Quote:This is a notice that I am quitting the work that I was doing day-to-day and using my time as CEO (I’m not going anywhere!) to do the thing that is needed more than ever – devoting as much of my energies as possible to spreading the word of what Sunday Assembly does.
Thinking sounds like evangelism to me...
Quote:The only way to understand Sunday Assembly is to experience it for yourself. There will be singalong songs, moving stories, passionate speakers—all finished with tea and cake (or coffee and doughnuts!). Just by being with us you should be energised, vitalised, restored, repaired, refreshed, and recharged. No matter what the subject of the Assembly, it will solace worries, provoke kindness and inject a touch of transcendence into the everyday. But life can be tough… It is. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, we have moments of weakness, or life just isn’t fair. We want the Sunday Assembly to be a place of compassion, where, no matter what your situation, you are welcomed, accepted, and loved. You can join a choir, sing in the band, attend and facilitate self-help groups, welcome those who are socially isolated, host potluck dinners, share hobbies, and much more. Most of all, have fun, be nice and join in.





There's even a child being "indoctrinated" at the :40 mark...

If your argument is that a god has to be involved in order to classify an ideology as a religion, then why do atheist religions exist?

I said earlier in this thread that the definition of 'god' is 'and object of worship', which could be anything. The Sunday Assembly purpose (as stated by THEM) is to celebrate life, 'celebrate' is synonymous with 'praise' so yes, atheists have created their own little religion, and are unwittingly brought themselves back to worshiping a god.

All cultures "indoctrinate" their young.
Nope.
Fail again.

LMAO "Celebrate" is equivalent to "praise".
Do you "praise" someone at their birthday party ?
Your desperation is showing. The dictionary would like a word with you.
Are the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts a "religion" ?
Are the Marines a "religion" ?
Are football teams a "religion" ?
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
Huggy uses the dictionary like a foot fetishist uses your peds. He's only interested in his onanistic pleasures, even at the expense of the larger body.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 12, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: LMAO "Celebrate" is equivalent to "praise".
Do you "praise" someone at their birthday party ?
Your desperation is showing. The dictionary would like a word with you.

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(December 12, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Are the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts a "religion" ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scouting
Quote:Religion and spirituality is still a key part of the Scouting method. The two major world organizations have slightly different interpretations.

The World Organization of the Scout Movement (WOSM) states the following in its Fundamental Principles:

Under the title "Duty to God", the first of the above-mentioned principles of the Scout Movement is defined as "adherence to spiritual principles, loyalty to the religion that expresses them and acceptance of the duties resulting therefrom". Note that, by contrast to the title, the body of the text omits the word "God" to make clear that the clause also covers non-monotheistic religions, such as Hinduism, and those that do not recognize a personal God, such as Buddhism.[6]

The World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) stated the following in the 21st World Conference in 1972:

The essence of Duty to God is the acknowledgement of the necessity for a search for a faith in God, in a Supreme Being, and the acknowledgment of a force higher than man of the highest Spiritual Principles

(December 12, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Are the Marines a "religion" ?
Are football teams a "religion" ?

Do they have an Ideology?
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(December 12, 2018 at 12:32 pm)Whateverist Wrote: This is what comes of arguing over poorly defined terms.  If I think what gives rise to god belief is an aspect of mind/consciousness, something that is altogether natural, and I say I think there is in fact something to it, then which am I?  I identify as atheist because I don't call that aspect of mind "God" and I certainly don't believe in anything at all supernatural, whatever you choose to call it.  However I do think this aspect of mind can productively be regarded as something of importance.  It is something separate from the narrow I under my direct control, but something larger of which I am part.  Religion, done right (which it rarely is), can help people achieve a balance within this larger thing of which "narrow I" is a part - and it can do this even if what they literally believe is entirely untrue.

Let's reword the definition for theist then.

Theist: one who professes belief in at least one god.

Yeah, that looks like the same definition I use. But it isn't "theism/atheism" here that I think is poorly defined, but rather what it is that "God/gods" refers to.

(December 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Grandizer Wrote: An atheist therefore is one who does not profess belief in any god. If someone considers the universe to be "God", that's them professing a belief in a god, which makes them a theist.

The example of the person who thinks God = the universe still has something in mind by equating the universe with God which remains unexplained and I don't see the point of the statement. How does God=universe explain the sense of communion people feel with God? With or without God/gods I'm already in touch with the universe.


(December 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Grandizer Wrote: As an atheist, I can accept that such a theist may consider the universe to be "God" or believe in God in a metaphoric way, but I need not share the same attitude myself.

Of course not. But I wonder what you think informs and confirms what it theists believe in which goes by the G word, aside from it being a mistake that is. I think it is a mistake too but I don't think is is just a mistake.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 12, 2018 at 2:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(December 12, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: LMAO "Celebrate" is equivalent to "praise".
Do you "praise" someone at their birthday party ?
Your desperation is showing. The dictionary would like a word with you.

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(December 12, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Are the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts a "religion" ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scouting
Quote:Religion and spirituality is still a key part of the Scouting method. The two major world organizations have slightly different interpretations.

The World Organization of the Scout Movement (WOSM) states the following in its Fundamental Principles:

   Under the title "Duty to God", the first of the above-mentioned principles of the Scout Movement is defined as "adherence to spiritual principles, loyalty to the religion that expresses them and acceptance of the duties resulting therefrom". Note that, by contrast to the title, the body of the text omits the word "God" to make clear that the clause also covers non-monotheistic religions, such as Hinduism, and those that do not recognize a personal God, such as Buddhism.[6]

The World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) stated the following in the 21st World Conference in 1972:

   The essence of Duty to God is the acknowledgement of the necessity for a search for a faith in God, in a Supreme Being, and the acknowledgment of a force higher than man of the highest Spiritual Principles

(December 12, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Are the Marines a "religion" ?
Are football teams a "religion" ?

Do they have an Ideology?

You "conveniently" left off the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts ... They DO have an ideology. So it appears you lose again.
Your anachronistic definition of "atheism as a religion" is irrelevant.

Is Marxism a religion ?
Is socialism a religion ?

You do see where your idiotic nonsense lead this into ?
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 12, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(December 12, 2018 at 2:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: [Image: GyoC4EN.png]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scouting


Do they have an Ideology?

You "conveniently" left off the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts ... They DO have an ideology. So it appears you lose again.

It's clear you didn't bother reading my post because I addressed them separately, and yes they are considered religious...
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 12, 2018 at 3:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(December 12, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You "conveniently" left off the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts ... They DO have an ideology. So it appears you lose again.

It's clear you didn't bother reading my post because I addressed them separately, and yes they are considered religious...

And it's clear you can't even understand what you're reading.

The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts do not identify themselves as a religion.
" loyalty to the religion that expresses them and acceptance of the duties resulting" ...

that means that the Scouts want them to be loyal their THEIR OWN religions.

You also conveniently didn't answer about Marxism and socialism .... both ideologies.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
Your wasting time bucky Huggy's so desperate to and stretch definitions to a point they become meaningless
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: Is atheism a belief?
"We don't believe there are any gods" but we also "don't believe there are no Gods". Then which God do u believe in? Very confused are these atheists. The determination to redefine a simple definition with false grammar is amazing. What is the motivation...

The blatent contradiction of these statements are so ridiculous only one person has given a good argument for this while the rest continue to be driven by emotion.

No belief in no God. This is a double negative and as a grammatical rule is a positive.
And so means belief in a God.

What is the purpose of argument for people here?
Are u looking to gain knowledge?
Are you looking to find common ground?
Are you looking to understand different perspectives?
Are you looking to impose ur ideology?
Are you looking to win the argument?
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
Sorry if I'm not giving you your due, Agnostico, but so far you're coming off as nothing more than an arrogant and smugly superior dickhead.
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