(December 20, 2018 at 6:35 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The Lord is totally holy, good, and just. 

So, in your opinion... Does everyone on this Earth who doesn't accept Jesus as their lord and saviour deserve to go to hell?

(December 20, 2018 at 7:17 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(December 19, 2018 at 12:11 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: .....................?  Made up by whom?  The people who narrated daniel...., or the people who wrote daniel down?  What on earth are you babbling about?

It should be painfully evident by now that CDF47 will systematically reject any scholarly evidence placed before him which contradicts his dogmatic views. He is totally incapable of even considering that he might be wrong. 

Those scholars are atheist biased.

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(December 20, 2018 at 12:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(December 20, 2018 at 10:01 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: He is Christian.

It would be a convenient excuse..but the ignorance in this case is individual.  We're not exactly getting their best people here on the boards.

I don't like it when you insult me for no reason.  I pray for you man.  Why don't you at least have the decency to act decent toward me?  I don't get it.  Do you act this way in real life?

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(December 20, 2018 at 6:50 pm)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote:

(December 20, 2018 at 6:35 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The Lord is totally holy, good, and just. 

So, in your opinion... Does everyone on this Earth who doesn't accept Jesus as their lord and saviour deserve to go to hell?

I believe we were predestined to hear the word of the Lord and have the choice of accepting Him or not.  If you choose not to accept Him and you know the consequences then in that case I believe annihilation of the body and soul is just.  We could be spirits from the heavenly realms and that is how the predestination was determined.  That only God knows.  God knows many many more things than we know.  He has infinitely more knowledge than us so I must accept that he knows better than me like I know what is better for my dogs.

That actually is self-contradictory. If you are "predestined" then you have no free-will. 
If we are predestined, and he knows all things, then he created people for hell, and is a monster.

(December 20, 2018 at 7:40 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: That actually is self-contradictory. If you are "predestined" then you have no free-will. 
If we are predestined, and he knows all things, then he created people for hell, and is a monster.

I said predestined to hear the word.  There is still a free will choice to choose Christ or not.  The ones who haven't may be destined for destruction for spiritual reasons beyond our current knowledge.  I believe all children under the age of 13 (the age of accountability) who die are saved.

(December 20, 2018 at 9:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I believe all children under the age of 13 (the age of accountability) who die are saved.

Bible verse that supports this please.

(December 20, 2018 at 9:11 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(December 20, 2018 at 9:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I believe all children under the age of 13 (the age of accountability) who die are saved.

Bible verse that supports this please.

There is none.  It is a thought among a number of Christians.

Well, CDF47 is mitigating his addiction to mere assertions, at least to some extent. He now occasionally prefaces his assertions with "I believe...."

That at least is some progress.

Of course, his next lesson is that folks here don't really care what CDF47 "believes". He hasn't yet grasped that one.

Quote:I said predestined to hear the word.  There is still a free will choice to choose Christ or not.  The ones who haven't may be destined for destruction for spiritual reasons beyond our current knowledge.  I believe all children under the age of 13 (the age of accountability) who die are saved.

You fail to understand the concept of intellectual honesty. Do YOU have "free will" to believe in Pink Sparkly Unicorns ?
Is your god so stupid it wouldn't know if someone heard the word, and they honestly thought it was nothing but BS, but they *said* they believed, but really didn't ? 
Your god is THAT stupid ? And what about those who never heard the word ? He created them for hell ?
BTW, human brains are FAR FAR from mature at age 13. You really ought to take Biology 101 sometime.

BTW, I've been meaning to present the following FACT. 
The fact is, increasingly, as the universe proceeds, the VAST VAST majority of all information in the universe is, and increasingly will be, in black holes, and inaccessible to us. 
That's pretty piss-poor design, if "information" is what you're claiming is proof of something.

(December 20, 2018 at 6:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 20, 2018 at 7:17 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: It should be painfully evident by now that CDF47 will systematically reject any scholarly evidence placed before him which contradicts his dogmatic views. He is totally incapable of even considering that he might be wrong. 

Those scholars are atheist biased.

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Lame excuse on your part. It also doesn't change the fact that you're an intellectual illiterate with a closed mind who dishonestly ignores whatever scholarly evidence you find inconvenient, and you're completely incapable of considering the idea that you might be wrong. It is also evident by now that you're not here to discuss The Book of Daniel in order to conduct an honest pursuit of the truth. You're only here to proselytize.

These are just some of the impartial, fully-qualified biblical scholars whose books I have in my private library. All have Ph.D.'s in historical and divinity studies. Tell us which ones are atheists:

Louis E. Hartman
Alexander Di Lella
John J. Collins
Frank Leslie Cross
Philip Davies
Dell Chant
Jacques Doukhan
James D. Dunn
Malcolm Godden
Lester L. Grabbe
Ramon Hammer
Victor H. Matthews

Dr. Kenneth Miller, a CHRISTIAN, professor of Biochem at Brown, who wrote "Finding Darwin's God" knows that ID is nonsense.