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(December 19, 2018 at 1:58 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: *Nods* Yeah, I get that about your system.

The problem you have is that:

1) Your diety is the biggest of all things. It's the creator of all things. It's the knower of all things.

2) This leads to the issue of your diety first knowing what it's going to do. Do said things anyway. Said created things then running off and doing the things they were created to do.

So... you diety created the evil AND lets it run around doing its evil things.

Is a problem, don't cha think?

Heck, pretty sure the Euthyphro's dilema sums up your problem. Or the more, modern, parahprasing at least.

At least with Odin... they can blame Loki being micheivieous and things going all ploin shaped from there. Same with most other pantheons. All the good diety's are runnning around trying to stop/thwart the evil dietys. Well... maybe the other way around, YMMV.

The Lord is totally holy, good, and just.  He hates evil.  Evil is what Satan did when he rebelled from God.

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 So.

Your diety hates evil?

Did your deity bring the angel you name Lucifer into being?

Did you diety know of everything that was going to transpire in history?

 

Not at work.

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(December 21, 2018 at 12:58 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: No.. I think they are pointing out that.

1) Given that Jesus was supposedly 'Half divine' and thence closer to 'perfect' than all us other Humans. When wouod said half-divine demi-god be able to do anything so mundane as catch a cold?

2) Hence... would said demi-god even need trivial things like white blood cells?



Not at work

Working from home

Actually human blood contains many components and has a number of functions. 
NOT ONE theologian has ever proposed that Jesus' blood was anything other than normal human blood. 
In fact theologians (the creeds and theological systems) go out of their way to say Jesus was both "FULLY human and fully divine". 
http://www.hematology.org/Patients/Basics/
If he didn't need white cells "cuz he was special" ... then why would he need red cells and the oxygen transport system, or the coagulation cascade or platelets ? He did "bleed" and (supposedly) the crown of thorns did not cause him to "bleed out".
Platelets have mitochondrial DNA, and if Jesus' genome was such that his blood did not make human white cells, (there are a number of kinds of white cells, and they have different functions) https://www.verywellhealth.com/understan...ts-2249217
then his genome was not human and his DNA could not be identified as human.  
Bwahahahahahahahaha

Oh, I was just pointing out the possible thinking behind sdelsolray is all.

 

Not at work.

(December 21, 2018 at 1:11 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Oh, I was just pointing out the possible thinking behind sdelsolray is all.

 

Not at work.

I get it.

(December 20, 2018 at 6:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I believe we were predestined to hear the word of the Lord and have the choice of accepting Him or not.

I agree. But this is nothing to do with your God controlling anything, we are just destined to hear it from people like you.

Quote:If you choose not to accept Him and you know the consequences then in that case I believe annihilation of the body and soul is just.

So it is just to punish people who don't trust hearsay?

Quote:We could be spirits from the heavenly realms and that is how the predestination was determined.  That only God knows. 

Yeah and we might not, so why bother guessing.

Quote:God knows many many more things than we know.  He has infinitely more knowledge than us so I must accept that he knows better than me like I know what is better for my dogs.

Even more reason for me not to take your word for it .

Do you drink anything other than the Kool-Aid CDF?

Quote:The Lord is totally holy, good, and just. He hates evil. Evil is what Satan did when he rebelled from God.

Such mindless drivel ... they don't even get what that means. 
In order to say that, there has to (somewhere / somehow) be a standard by which to measure that. 
Can anyone say where that is, or where it came from ? 
LOL

(BTW, we know where the MYTHS of Satan and bad angels were MADE UP. Seriously ... in 2018 people who still buy into bad angels ... LOL)

CD - Your fantasy god is the self proclaimed creator of evil.
He's the ultimate serial killer.

Serial killer with a plan to kill more people.
And somehow, I don't know how, but you think that's good ?

(December 20, 2018 at 9:30 pm)sdelsolray Wrote: Well, CDF47 is mitigating his addiction to mere assertions, at least to some extent.  He now occasionally prefaces his assertions with "I believe...."

That at least is some progress.

Of course, his next lesson is that folks here don't really care what CDF47 "believes".  He hasn't yet grasped that one.

Some don't.  Others, I don't care what they think.

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(December 20, 2018 at 10:56 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:I said predestined to hear the word.  There is still a free will choice to choose Christ or not.  The ones who haven't may be destined for destruction for spiritual reasons beyond our current knowledge.  I believe all children under the age of 13 (the age of accountability) who die are saved.

You fail to understand the concept of intellectual honesty. Do YOU have "free will" to believe in Pink Sparkly Unicorns ?
Is your god so stupid it wouldn't know if someone heard the word, and they honestly thought it was nothing but BS, but they *said* they believed, but really didn't ? 
Your god is THAT stupid ? And what about those who never heard the word ? He created them for hell ?
BTW, human brains are FAR FAR from mature at age 13. You really ought to take Biology 101 sometime.

BTW, I've been meaning to present the following FACT. 
The fact is, increasingly, as the universe proceeds, the VAST VAST majority of all information in the universe is, and increasingly will be, in black holes, and inaccessible to us. 
That's pretty piss-poor design, if "information" is what you're claiming is proof of something.

No, you have to believe it in the heart.  God reads the heart.  Then also confess it with your lips.  God's people are saved by accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior.  They love God and neighbor.  They are sinners but they work on it and care about it.

There are spiritual reasons the spirits of the lost and wicked are lost.  Whether that is to eternal damnation or annihilation, I am not sure.

Black holes will swallow up much information.  The vast vast majority of it I agree.  Well I also agree that the universe would have died and eventual death anyway but that is beside the point.  I think the Lord will come here gather His people and destroy the lost prior to destroying the entire universe including death and hell.  Revelation 20:14, "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

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(December 20, 2018 at 11:37 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(December 20, 2018 at 6:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Those scholars are atheist biased.

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Lame excuse on your part. It also doesn't change the fact that you're an intellectual illiterate with a closed mind who dishonestly ignores whatever scholarly evidence you find inconvenient, and you're completely incapable of considering the idea that you might be wrong. It is also evident by now that you're not here to discuss The Book of Daniel in order to conduct an honest pursuit of the truth. You're only here to proselytize.

These are just some of the impartial, fully-qualified biblical scholars whose books I have in my private library. All have Ph.D.'s in historical and divinity studies. Tell us which ones are atheists:

Louis E. Hartman
Alexander Di Lella
John J. Collins
Frank Leslie Cross
Philip Davies
Dell Chant
Jacques Doukhan
James D. Dunn
Malcolm Godden
Lester L. Grabbe
Ramon Hammer
Victor H. Matthews

I'd have to Google search each one.  Can you tell me?

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(December 20, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Dr. Kenneth Miller, a CHRISTIAN, professor of Biochem at Brown, who wrote "Finding Darwin's God" knows that ID is nonsense.

The information in DNA cannot be explained.  It functions as written characters in a machine code.  The code did not write itself.

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(December 21, 2018 at 12:21 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(December 20, 2018 at 6:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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I don't like it when you insult me for no reason.  I pray for you man.  Why don't you at least have the decency to act decent toward me?  I don't get it.  Do you act this way in real life?

What's the point in praying for me?  It's not going to do anything.  Meanwhile, you're a willfully ignorant loon.  OFC I act this way in real life.  Stupid people hurt people.

................why else do you think I'm so adamant about issues like these?

If you are too blind to see there is information in DNA that operates and functions like written characters in a machine code then there is nothing more I can say to you.

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(December 21, 2018 at 4:39 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

Quote:I believe all children under the age of 13 (the age of accountability) who die are saved.

So a kid of 13 years and one week, who has not been saved and died in a car acident will be tortured forever? For being one week to old? Is that just?

By the way, if your god is *totally just* will everyone get the punishment he deserves according to your gods rules?

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(December 21, 2018 at 12:21 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: What's the point in praying for me?  It's not going to do anything. 

Of ocurse not, at least not if his god is *totally just* and you will get what you deserve, no matter what.

The punishment will be spiritually just measuring the heart of the person.  I think there is evidence for annihilationism (where spirit and body are both destroyed forever rather than suffering eternal conscious torment in hell).  The Bible does state death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire.  I think this is when the universe is destroyed after the Lord returns. I can't say for sure though.

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(December 21, 2018 at 5:31 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: God has a plan. Don't screw it up with your prayers.

He wants His people to pray to Him.  That is when He rescued them from Egypt, is when they really started turning to God for help and praying.

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(December 21, 2018 at 7:58 am)rusti Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 2:48 am)CDF47 Wrote: DNA has a property that cannot be explained by natural processes.  Locked securely inside the double helix structure of DNA is a wealth of information in the form of precisely sequenced chemicals that scientists represent with the letters A, C, T, and G.  In a written language information is communicated by a precise arrangement of letters.  In the same way, the instruction necessary to assemble amino acids into proteins are conveyed by the sequences of chemicals arranged along the spine of the DNA.  This chemical code has been called the “Language of Life” and it is the most densely packed and elaborately detailed assembly of information in the known universe.

I saw that the blood on the Shroud of Turin was tested as a Living blood sample also.  Pretty amazing isn't it. Our Lord Lives. 

Yeah, that is awesome rusti.  Welcome to the forum.  I don't believe the Shroud is authentic though.  It may be but I am not sure.

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(December 21, 2018 at 12:18 pm)sdelsolray Wrote:

(December 21, 2018 at 9:59 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: The Shroud of Turin has been debunked. The DNA of the material is dated to the Renaissance period. 
The fact that the DNA of the blood is actual blood is meaningless. ANY human blood could have been smeared on it.
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The only cells in human blood which contain DNA are white blood cells, which are used by the body to fight infection, etc.  Why would Jesus have needed white blood cells?

Jesus came here fully man and He is fully God.  Leadership by example from the front.  He taught righteousness among many other things.

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(December 21, 2018 at 12:58 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: [quote pid='1870865' dateline='1545345350']


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(December 19, 2018 at 1:58 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: *Nods* Yeah, I get that about your system.

The problem you have is that:

1) Your diety is the biggest of all things. It's the creator of all things. It's the knower of all things.

2) This leads to the issue of your diety first knowing what it's going to do. Do said things anyway. Said created things then running off and doing the things they were created to do.

So... you diety created the evil AND lets it run around doing its evil things.

Is a problem, don't cha think?

Heck, pretty sure the Euthyphro's dilema sums up your problem. Or the more, modern, parahprasing at least.

At least with Odin... they can blame Loki being micheivieous and things going all ploin shaped from there. Same with most other pantheons. All the good diety's are runnning around trying to stop/thwart the evil dietys. Well... maybe the other way around, YMMV.

The Lord is totally holy, good, and just.  He hates evil.  Evil is what Satan did when he rebelled from God.

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 So.

Your diety hates evil?

Did your deity bring the angel you name Lucifer into being?

Did you diety know of everything that was going to transpire in history?

 

Not at work.

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He knows all so He knows the rebellion would one day happen.

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(December 22, 2018 at 12:50 am)Rahn127 Wrote: CD - Your fantasy god is the self proclaimed creator of evil.
He's the ultimate serial killer.

Serial killer with a plan to kill more people.
And somehow, I don't know how, but you think that's good ?

The Lord gives life and can take life away at His will.  They are going to a better place than this.

Posterboy for the religion. CDF does more for atheists than for theists. Not that it matters, if one is satisfied with vacuous words and conjecture.