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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 25, 2018 at 7:10 pm
(December 25, 2018 at 6:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (December 25, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Amarok Wrote: Ah so he's now trying the all the absurdities that show my book to be mythology are just symbols ...
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The Book is highly symbolic when it comes to prophecy especially. Below are the meanings of the symbols:
https://amazingdiscoveries.org/RT_encycl...el_symbols We have been over this
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 25, 2018 at 7:38 pm
(December 25, 2018 at 2:08 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: (December 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Now you're not making sense. You want me to explain subjective choice? I can't speak for "angels" as to why they chose something. Maybe they wanted to. Maybe they were promised something. Did you want me to go seek out and ask them all? Look, CDF claimed the devil rebelled against god by rallying 1/3 of the angles. I asked in return, what the devils plan was for heaven, and was concluded (based on the information availiable to me) that he must have balls and charisma. You replied, that this is not necessarily the case and speculated (without giving further evidence/information) that the angels were somehow deceived by the devil or under his spell.
I also asked you how you know the devil was the bad one. Or do you assume this only because he lost?
I asked, more than once, since you seem so well informed about god, devil and heaven, to bring forward more information, but it seems you dont have any. What i wanted was you to substantiate your claims. You were seeingly purely speculating.
(December 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Are you assuming I have some special power to go into the past to read minds? No, i assumed your drug dealer analogy and the underlying assumption of the devils´relation to angels was based on more as "i just pulled this ou tof thin air".
(December 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I would suggest that your question is misplaced. As far as were they stopped from making a choice, it was never implied, so there's really no point unless you can validate some reason why they would need to have been prevented from making a decision. Again, another misplaced question. Of course if you can explain the necessity, then that could always be retracted and revisited, but no reason to prematurely on something implied by you. Im not going to explain anything before you have explained the veracity of your drug dealer analogy, hopefully based on more then 100% conjecture.
(December 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: The statement about the rebellion would be correct in both past and present tense. There was a rebellion, as an independent event, and rebellion that continues. A continuing rebellion, after the devil lost the heavenly war? Is this conjecture or do you have anything to substantiate this claim?
I am asking again: What is the devil trying to gain? What is his *program*? Before i get all judgemental i would like to hvae more background information.
(December 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: So far it seems like you're more interested in claiming fallacies than actually engaging material objectively. Didnt i already tell you that i never mentioned fallacies? Didnt i already tell you that your MO is to double down when being called out on BS? Do i have to ask you again where i was talking about fallacies (or even logic)?
(December 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I'm guessing this is a trend with you when you discuss things with people who think differently. I could be wrong, but I guess time will tell. It's usually better to explore things with objectivity if you want to have productive dialogue though, so something to consider. Cheers. Ok, then start by introducing stuff to substantiate your claims about heaven, god and the devil, and stop claiming i am talking about fallacies, when i clearly am not.
Addressing a response by one person doesn't mean I've attempted to address all of their statements. If you genuinely have an interest in discussing the topic, then I would suggest relaxing a bit, lay out maybe one or two questions at a time so that I can respond, and if something isn't understood, then ask me to clarify, and I will be glad to do so. I'm happy to do that all day long assuming I have nothing else I need to do.
We have limited knowledge of the events you are asking about. Even if you want to pull in external sources, it's still going to be the same thing. We know some things. There was a rebellion and Satan wanted to set himself as an equal. How exactly he convinced other angels to follow him isn't fully understood by me, and very doubtful anybody else, because that information wasn't made available. If I had to guess, I would say similarly to how this kind of thing happens nowadays. Why do people commit crimes? Someone probably tried to rationalize it so that the risk/reward sounded appealing. Rob a bank, become a millionaire. That is, assuming you don't get caught. So my take on it is that there was probably some tangible benefit if the outcome was as hoped for. My take on the angels fighting would be because it was their home. They probably didn't even need to be told to, but I don't know. We're dealing with the past, and sometimes all we can do is guess. No big deal though. Such is life and we don't necessarily need all the answers for every situation.
The drug dealer analogy was along the lines of people giving someone else power. If everybody just ignored them, they would have no power at all. Once people assume they have power, then we end up giving them power based on our perception of them. In reality, they could've been left powerless. The more you feed that perceived power, the stronger they will become to those individuals. Of course we can add more variables, but generally speaking, an opportunist isn't looking for those who are going to tell him or her to "buzz off."
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 25, 2018 at 9:13 pm
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Quote:The Book is highly symbolic when it comes to prophecy especially. Below are the meanings of the symbols:
https://amazingdiscoveries.org/RT_encycl...el_symbols
That sort of thing is forbidden.
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft."
Deuteronomy 18:10
Jebus no likey that shit.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 25, 2018 at 10:07 pm
Why you guys keep feeding da troll?!?! 🤦♀️
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 25, 2018 at 11:03 pm
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(December 25, 2018 at 10:07 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why you guys keep feeding da troll?!?! 🤦♀️
I, for one, am finished arguing with an intellectual illiterate with a closed mind. Trying to have a reasonable discussion with CDF47 is like arguing with a little kid who just keeps stamping his foot while shouting, "No, it isn't! No, it ISN'T!"
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 26, 2018 at 12:00 am
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(December 25, 2018 at 9:13 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:The Book is highly symbolic when it comes to prophecy especially. Below are the meanings of the symbols:
https://amazingdiscoveries.org/RT_encycl...el_symbols
That sort of thing is forbidden.
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft."
Deuteronomy 18:10
Jebus no likey that shit.
Deuteronomy is not talking about divine prophecy and interpretation of dreams by divine power.
(December 25, 2018 at 10:07 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why you guys keep feeding da troll?!?! 🤦♀️
Because they know I am not a troll.
(December 25, 2018 at 11:03 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: (December 25, 2018 at 10:07 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why you guys keep feeding da troll?!?! 🤦♀️
I, for one, am finished arguing with an intellectual illiterate with a closed mind. Trying to have a reasonable discussion with CDF47 is like arguing with a little kid who just keeps stamping his foot while shouting, "No, it isn't! No, it ISN'T!"
No, it isn't!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 26, 2018 at 1:12 am
Quote:Deuteronomy is not talking about divine prophecy and interpretation of dreams by divine power.
It actually is. Prophecy as "fortune-telling" did not come about until the change of the millennium.
It's a common fundamentalist mistake.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 26, 2018 at 1:21 am
(December 26, 2018 at 1:12 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:Deuteronomy is not talking about divine prophecy and interpretation of dreams by divine power.
It actually is. Prophecy as "fortune-telling" did not come about until the change of the millennium.
It's a common fundamentalist mistake.
Prophecy isn't fortune-telling.
The first prophecy was the Protoevangelium in Genesis 3.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 26, 2018 at 3:00 am
(December 26, 2018 at 1:12 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:Deuteronomy is not talking about divine prophecy and interpretation of dreams by divine power.
It actually is. Prophecy as "fortune-telling" did not come about until the change of the millennium.
It's a common fundamentalist mistake.
Jesus is prophesied throughout the OT, as well as other prophecies.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
December 26, 2018 at 3:02 am
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If you sat down and thought about it you'd probably understand why no believing jew would ever claim that a god in the flesh was on it's way......
@ Max......yeah, no. That was about the dragon that got hexed into a snake in the just-so story. The lengths people will go to, lol...?
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