Yeah they don't require a reason to not accept a claim someone just asserted and nor does it matter .

(December 28, 2018 at 7:29 pm)Amarok Wrote: Yeah they don't require a reason to not accept a claim someone just asserted and nor does it matter .

Suppose someone posted on Twitter: "Donald Trump just said something stupid." 

This is an unsupported assertion. It doesn't contain any evidence. But I think you might not reject it out of hand. Given what you know of events, it seems likely. Later on you may have to reject it if you discover that Trump had been uncharacteristically silent, but the simple fact that it is an unsupported assertion doesn't mean you'll reject it.

On the other hand, if someone tweeted: "A snake just told me what tomorrow's lottery numbers are," I suspect you would reject the truth of this out of hand. It is not only unsupported, it also contradicts what you know of the world. Snakes don't talk, and nobody knows the future. Here you are rejecting an assertion not because it is in itself unsupported, but because you have good reasons.

Whether we reject an assertion or not depends on what we believe about the world. In the case of the talking snake, there are good reasons not to believe in it. What we believe about the world constitutes our reasons for rejecting an assertion or not.

People might be "donald trump is an idiotist" for reasons, or for no discernible reason,..just sounds like he is ( you know, an idiot).  

The thing they share, is donald trump is an idiotism™.

Atheism is like that. It only denotes the one thing...not reasons for the one thing. You...Bel...-you- find yourself...... somehow, and for some reason, opposed to science. That's a comment on you, not atheism. Most of the unfaithful are right fucking scientific idiots...just like most of the faithful. The reason that they're atheists is that they just don't give a fuck.

-and still...whats the point, why not just bitch at me at get it off your chest? I'm right here?

(December 28, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Belaqua Wrote:

(December 28, 2018 at 7:29 pm)Amarok Wrote: Yeah they don't require a reason to not accept a claim someone just asserted and nor does it matter .

Suppose someone posted on Twitter: "Donald Trump just said something stupid." 

This is an unsupported assertion. It doesn't contain any evidence. But I think you might not reject it out of hand. Given what you know of events, it seems likely. Later on you may have to reject it if you discover that Trump had been uncharacteristically silent, but the simple fact that it is an unsupported assertion doesn't mean you'll reject it.

On the other hand, if someone tweeted: "A snake just told me what tomorrow's lottery numbers are," I suspect you would reject the truth of this out of hand. It is not only unsupported, it also contradicts what you know of the world. Snakes don't talk, and nobody knows the future. Here you are rejecting an assertion not because it is in itself unsupported, but because you have good reasons.

Whether we reject an assertion or not depends on what we believe about the world. In the case of the talking snake, there are good reasons not to believe in it. What we believe about the world constitutes our reasons for rejecting an assertion or not.

Nope my answer too all these claims is I don't require a reason to not accept them aside the fact the claimer claimed them without evidence . You keep insisting their is more to it when their isn't

(December 28, 2018 at 9:22 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: -you- find yourself...... somehow, and for some reason, opposed to science.

What a bizarre thing to say. I am in no way opposed to science. Please don't make up stuff about me.

Oh shut the fuck up...lol.  

Your own ridiculous assertions about others do nothing but illustrate the inner workings of your own mind. It's one thing to bullshit yourself about other people for no goddamned reason..it's entirely another thing to bullshit -yourself- for no reason.

Temet nosce.

(December 28, 2018 at 9:34 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Oh shut the fuck up...lol.  

Your own ridiculous assertions about others do nothing but illustrate the inner workings of your own mind.  It's one thing to bullshit yourself about other people for no goddamned reason..it's entirely another thing to bullshit -yourself- for no reason.

Temet nosce.

True

(December 28, 2018 at 6:40 pm)Belaqua Wrote:

(December 28, 2018 at 8:23 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: That's the rub, Bel...it doesn't matter.  He's an atheist either way.  Not all atheists are atheists for the same reason..or even any discernible reason whatsoever.

If they are adult atheists who reject claims for no reason whatsoever, they are just prejudiced nonthinkers, and I concede that a lot of people may be this way. I hope no one like that is posting here. Or they may be atheists for bad reasons, rejecting claims with logical fallacies like, "I wouldn't like it if it were true, therefore I reject it." 

No. 
That assumes the default valid position is theism. 
Thesim is a very specific set of claims that requires no response, just like the existence of pink sparkly unicorns requires no thought or response. 
There is no "prejudice" involved in the dismissal of belief claims of any of the thousands of gods humans have cooked up.

(December 29, 2018 at 11:02 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: That assumes the default valid position is theism. 

Not at all.

Both sides make claims. Everyone evaluates the claims based on the standards that he believes are best.

An atheist makes the claim: "there is insufficient evidence to believe in God." He believes this statement because of the evaluative premises which he believes are best. A believer hears that claim and evaluates it based on the evaluative premises he believes are best. 

Granted, a lot of people have evaluative premises which are not very good. But everyone hears claims and then accepts or rejects them.

Long time ago, I bought a rune of impervious to insults. Takes discipline. Takes patience.