(January 1, 2019 at 7:31 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 1, 2019 at 7:29 am)Amarok Wrote: Or you could actually answer his question

I did answer his question.  Just not how you wanted me to.

No you didn't and it wasn't the way he wanted it was an actual answer

(January 1, 2019 at 7:33 am)Amarok Wrote:

(January 1, 2019 at 7:31 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I did answer his question.  Just not how you wanted me to.

No you didn't and it wasn't the way he wanted it was an actual answer

Sounds unfortunate.  I didn't get the video game I wanted for Christmas when I was 8 years old.  We don't always get what we want.  Some people cry about it.  Others move on.

(January 1, 2019 at 7:37 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 1, 2019 at 7:33 am)Amarok Wrote: No you didn't and it wasn't the way he wanted it was an actual answer

Sounds unfortunate.  I didn't get the video game I wanted for Christmas when I was 8 years old.  We don't always get what we want.  Some people cry about it.  Others move on.

Yes it is for you as it makes it seem you have no answer and are simply dodging it  .

(December 31, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Angelina Wrote:  We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

In the US, if your talking about social services, dollar for dollar the government supplies far more without the religious baggage attached. 

I'm not sure you're as special as you think. But go ahead, keep on preaching.

Quote: We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

Good deeds with an ideological string attached ...

(December 31, 2018 at 9:16 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 8:52 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: That settles it then. You've got nothing.

As I said, put up or shut up.  You keep yappin, yet you've managed to back none of your words.  Tis boring.  Really, all you do is bounce around these forums telling people they are wrong, yet you fail to contribute an original thought.

And exactly what is it that you expect me to prove, and why?

(January 1, 2019 at 7:26 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 1, 2019 at 7:03 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Bit vague isn't it. what does that all mean practically.

Oh and ruler! how do they rule? what is the process etc etc.

I guess you could always write a letter to M-W and ask them why they won't put better quality definitions in their dictionaries.  Maybe tell them why they didn't do a good enough job so they know not to make the same mistake.  Maybe they'll even recall all of their dictionaries and send out a public apology.

So you admit that the definitions are unsatisfying.
I am left just as baffled by what you say believe in as before.
Can you please clarify what you believe a god is and how it goes about "godding"

(December 31, 2018 at 5:39 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: As far as perfection, I would suggest positive qualities both inward and outward.  What makes a circle perfect?  Both it's form and function.  We know all points on its outer edges are equidistant from it's center point.  As such, the form makes it highly efficient.  I'm sure we could get more technical about it, but I think so far it's a fair statement. 

In what way would a circle be efficient? A thing is only efficient in as much as it accomplishes its goal or purpose in a certain way. Circles don't accomplish things. They just are. If you are saying that function is a part of perfection, then that is saying that a thing that is perfect is accomplishing a specific goal or purpose. But God, ostensibly, does not have an externally defined purpose or goal. Theists suggest that the only goals or purposes God has are his own. That would suggest that God is only perfect with respect to his own definition of perfection. It's easy to meet that standard, and no specific attributes of God follow from such a thing. I've pointed this out to other theists, and their response has been to back away from such a definition. I suspect if you didn't have me on ignore, we would likely find you doing the same. A circle is only perfect inasmuch as it meets a specific definition. What definition does God meet that makes him 'perfect' as opposed to just an arbitrarily existing thing. Like function, it comes down to a definition being attributed to the thing. If God simply meets his own definition of what perfection is in some perfect way, then that's a rather pointless and insignificant fact. If we are talking about men's definitions of omniscience and omnipotence, it's not clear why these things are necessarily desirable for a thing to have. Objectively, no thing is preferable to another thing. The universe does not value one thing over another. So these preferences are coming from a subjective agent, necessarily. And then the conclusion becomes that perfection simply consists in possessing those qualities that some person or other considers desirable to have. Perfection becomes subjective, arbitrary, and essentially without any objective basis. So your definition ultimately fails as a definition for God.

And you could be reading all about it and learning about it if you didn't have me on ignore. That's why you have me on ignore. You prefer to wallow in ignorance. Anybody who challenges you and your beliefs is crudely shunned.

For more on this, see the following thread: Theists: What do you mean when you say that God is 'perfect'?

Oh, and just a side note on your analogy, if you go out looking for a girl who is 'perfect' in every way, like God is, you're going to be coming home alone. Much like you do with God in the real world.

(December 31, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Angelina Wrote: Only God can be the judge of who is really good, but I believe God sent us Jesus as our very best teacher. Islam is just copy cat religion, and Christians are doing much more good in the world from what I can see, and unless you can provide research that shows anything to the contrary, I am sticking with that. We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

(December 31, 2018 at 8:49 pm)possibletarian Wrote: No one is doubting that some christians do good things, the scepticism comes from your comment that christianity has done the world a big favour.

For instance, lets take aside all the instances of child abuse, wars, crusades, slave owning, money hoarding..etc. (we can come back to those)

None of the horrible things you just named were done by people following the example of Jesus Christ. They were done by what Jesus referred to as hypocrites.
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." Matthew 23

(December 31, 2018 at 8:49 pm)possibletarian Wrote: and just lets concentrate on one you made a big point of .. hunger.  If christians truly believed they should give to the poor, and that god would bless them in return, then why are thousands of your brothers and sister starving to death in some of these countries ?

Remember these claims are the mainstay of your religion, and central to the teachings of the one you call christ.

Christians are doing a lot more than any other private sector group in the world. What you should be asking, is why are the 5 Billion other people in the world not doing more to help?

(January 1, 2019 at 12:38 pm)Angelina Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Angelina Wrote: Only God can be the judge of who is really good, but I believe God sent us Jesus as our very best teacher. Islam is just copy cat religion, and Christians are doing much more good in the world from what I can see, and unless you can provide research that shows anything to the contrary, I am sticking with that. We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

(December 31, 2018 at 8:49 pm)possibletarian Wrote: No one is doubting that some christians do good things, the scepticism comes from your comment that christianity has done the world a big favour.

For instance, lets take aside all the instances of child abuse, wars, crusades, slave owning, money hoarding..etc. (we can come back to those)

None of the horrible things you just named were done by people following the example of Jesus Christ. They were done by what Jesus referred to as hypocrites.
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." Matthew 23

(December 31, 2018 at 8:49 pm)possibletarian Wrote: and just lets concentrate on one you made a big point of .. hunger.  If christians truly believed they should give to the poor, and that god would bless them in return, then why are thousands of your brothers and sister starving to death in some of these countries ?

Remember these claims are the mainstay of your religion, and central to the teachings of the one you call christ.

Christians are doing a lot more than any other private sector group in the world. What you should be asking, is why are the 5 Billion other people in the world not doing more to help?

So tell me, what is a christian, is it someone for instance who keeps christs commands ?
Tell me your definition.

And christians are doing very little when compared to secular governments, the questions you should be asking yourself is why are your brothers and sisters starving while you have plenty, given what christ commanded you ? You are the ones claiming a transformed life by the spirit of the same god who commanded thee things.