(January 12, 2019 at 2:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Exactly, there is no infinite regress problem with a supreme being outside the boundaries of this universe.

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 Now, y'see, this is where I have a question or two.

Now... if there is some diety "... Outside the boundaries of this universe.. " then that puts said critter something like 13 odd billion years away from us.

Y'now, the whole  'Outside what we can see/Outside space and time' thing?

So... if said deity is all the way over/back there... How then exactly does it interact with things here and now?

Not at work.

(January 12, 2019 at 3:25 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 2:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Exactly, there is no infinite regress problem with a supreme being outside the boundaries of this universe.

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 Now, y'see, this is where I have a question or two.

Now... if there is some diety "... Outside the boundaries of this universe.. " then that puts said critter something like 13 odd billion years away from us.

Y'now, the whole  'Outside what we can see/Outside space and time' thing?

So... if said deity is all the way over/back there... How then exactly does it interact with things here and now?

Not at work.

How did you come up with "13 odd billion years away?"

I don't think that is generally assumed to be the case.  God is with us.

(January 12, 2019 at 3:37 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:25 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Now, y'see, this is where I have a question or two.

Now... if there is some diety "... Outside the boundaries of this universe.. " then that puts said critter something like 13 odd billion years away from us.

Y'now, the whole  'Outside what we can see/Outside space and time' thing?

So... if said deity is all the way over/back there... How then exactly does it interact with things here and now?

Not at work.

How did you come up with "13 odd billion years away?"

I don't think that is generally assumed to be the case.  God is with us.

 So... CDF47 posted that the diety is 'Outside time and space'.

Since we can see out/back something like 13 odd billion light years.... That's how far 'away' all of space is.

So, if the diety is 'Outside' that puts it a long way a way.

Now you're saying the diety is with us.

Really? Where?

Which point of view, yourself or CDF47's, is correct?

Where is your diety now?

Not at work.

(January 12, 2019 at 3:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:37 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: How did you come up with "13 odd billion years away?"

I don't think that is generally assumed to be the case.  God is with us.

 So... CDF47 posted that the diety is 'Outside time and space'.

Since we can see out/back something like 13 odd billion light years.... That's how far 'away' all of space is.

So, if the diety is 'Outside' that puts it a long way a way.

Now you're saying the diety is with us.

Really? Where?

Which point of view, yourself or CDF47's, is correct?

Where is your diety now?

Not at work.

For now it makes more sense to just address you, then maybe CDF47 can expand on the context he was sharing or even agree or disagree with me if he would like to. That way you're getting an explanation from me per our discussion, and I'm not saying he's correct/incorrect without him being able to provide his thoughts on the matter.

God exists in many ways, so no reason to assume limits.

Spiritually both within and outside of us.
Physically as Jesus Christ, and through the design of his creation.

Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 Cor 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

(January 12, 2019 at 3:37 pm)0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:25 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Now, y'see, this is where I have a question or two.

Now... if there is some diety "... Outside the boundaries of this universe.. " then that puts said critter something like 13 odd billion years away from us.

Y'now, the whole  'Outside what we can see/Outside space and time' thing?

So... if said deity is all the way over/back there... How then exactly does it interact with things here and now?

Not at work.

How did you come up with "13 odd billion years away?"

I don't think that is generally assumed to be the case.  God is with us.

The last four words of this post are scary to me. "God is with us"..

The same motto put on Nazi belt buckles.

(January 12, 2019 at 4:23 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: God exists in many ways, so no reason to assume limits.

Spiritually both within and outside of us.
Physically as Jesus Christ, and through the design of his creation.

 So... what is this 'Spirituality' thing/stuff?
 Where inside? Where outside?
How does your diety exist "... In many ways... " ?
 Said person J C (Accepting for the moment that there might have been) is also about two thousand years in the past.
 So... other than this 'Spirit' stuff? Still nothing close to us at the moment.

Not at work.

(January 12, 2019 at 4:10 am)CDF47 Wrote: Good video.

Yes, it shows the likes of you up as bullshitters or idiots.

(January 12, 2019 at 3:37 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:25 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Now, y'see, this is where I have a question or two.

Now... if there is some diety "... Outside the boundaries of this universe.. " then that puts said critter something like 13 odd billion years away from us.

Y'now, the whole  'Outside what we can see/Outside space and time' thing?

So... if said deity is all the way over/back there... How then exactly does it interact with things here and now?

Not at work.

How did you come up with "13 odd billion years away?"

I don't think that is generally assumed to be the case.  God is with us.

Exactly.

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(January 12, 2019 at 3:25 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 2:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Exactly, there is no infinite regress problem with a supreme being outside the boundaries of this universe.

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 Now, y'see, this is where I have a question or two.

Now... if there is some diety "... Outside the boundaries of this universe.. " then that puts said critter something like 13 odd billion years away from us.

Y'now, the whole  'Outside what we can see/Outside space and time' thing?

So... if said deity is all the way over/back there... How then exactly does it interact with things here and now?

Not at work.

His throne is there but He resides here as well.

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(January 12, 2019 at 4:23 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  So... CDF47 posted that the diety is 'Outside time and space'.

Since we can see out/back something like 13 odd billion light years.... That's how far 'away' all of space is.

So, if the diety is 'Outside' that puts it a long way a way.

Now you're saying the diety is with us.

Really? Where?

Which point of view, yourself or CDF47's, is correct?

Where is your diety now?

Not at work.

For now it makes more sense to just address you, then maybe CDF47 can expand on the context he was sharing or even agree or disagree with me if he would like to. That way you're getting an explanation from me per our discussion, and I'm not saying he's correct/incorrect without him being able to provide his thoughts on the matter.

God exists in many ways, so no reason to assume limits.

Spiritually both within and outside of us.
Physically as Jesus Christ, and through the design of his creation.

Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 Cor 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Agreed!

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(January 12, 2019 at 4:34 pm)Nomad Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 4:10 am)CDF47 Wrote: Good video.

Yes, it shows the likes of you up as bullshitters or idiots.

No, it doesn't.

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God is everywhere.

(January 12, 2019 at 4:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote: His throne is there but He resides here as well.

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God is everywhere.

 What? Your deity has a throne.. outside of time?

What's it made of?

Why does your diety need it?

What's it do?

What's it for?

How does your diety use such a thing that's 13 odd billion years away?


So.. if your deity is 'Everywhere'.... ?

How does it function across the distances of time/space?

How does one part of it at Alpha Centaury interact/communicate with the bits that are 'here'?

(January 12, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:37 pm)0 Th3 M4X Wrote: How did you come up with "13 odd billion years away?"

I don't think that is generally assumed to be the case.  God is with us.

The last three words of this post are scary to me. "God is with us"..

The same motto put on Nazi belt buckles.

Scary to you that Nazis put something on their belt buckles?  "Last three words" you say?  That would be "is with us."  Interesting.

If I tattooed your screen name on to something, would you attribute any special value to that object based on my choice to do so?