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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 8:12 am
(January 12, 2019 at 8:08 am)CDF47 Wrote: (January 12, 2019 at 8:06 am)Thoreauvian Wrote: Well, of course evolution takes over at a point to create more and more complex DNA.
Evolution is part of the implementation of the design to an extent (there is some change over time).
Yes, there is. And scientists have found that the code which pairs signs with meanings continued to develop over time, at least early on.
I'm nothing like an expert on this subject, so if you want to delve into it at any depth, I recommend you look up biosemiotics or Howard Pattee.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 8:41 am
None of the defenders of ID ever produce evidence for their claims. All they have is arguments from their own increduloty and ignorance.
On the other hand they oh so easily believe a magic thinguie created them. I believe it makes them feel special, chosen by a deity that is nothing but their own superego.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 9:52 am
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2019 at 9:53 am by Bucky Ball.)
Quote:Order of this magnitude could not have come about by random anything.
What "order of magnitude" exactly are you talking about ?
Provide a grading system for the orders of magnitude you are talking about.
Oh wait. You don't have one.
You have been asked time and again to provide examples of lower magnitude that don't require a designer.
As has been explained to you, also time and again, the process was not "random".
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am
Atheism - Intelligence evolved from non-intelligence
Christianity - Fluid intelligence was created by a Source of super intelligence
Atheism
Non-intelligence > Intelligence
Christianity
Super intelligence > intelligence
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 11:36 am
(January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Christianity
Super intelligence > intelligence
Indeed. Its the DK effect.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 11:45 am
(January 12, 2019 at 11:36 am)LastPoet Wrote: (January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Christianity
Super intelligence > intelligence
Indeed. Its the DK effect.
DK is working for us.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm
(January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Atheism - Intelligence evolved from non-intelligence
Christianity - Fluid intelligence was created by a Source of super intelligence
Atheism
Non-intelligence > Intelligence
Christianity
Super intelligence > intelligence
So... following this logic, one needs also
Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
But then, too
Mega intelligence > Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
Which, by inference, leads to the dreaded infinite regress problem.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 1:03 pm
(January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Super intelligence > intelligence
1. Define in detail what "super intelligence" actually is, EXACTLY.
2. Describe (using no temporal words or concepts) how intelligence works in a timeless environment.
Take your time.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 1:08 pm
(January 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Atheism - Intelligence evolved from non-intelligence
Christianity - Fluid intelligence was created by a Source of super intelligence
Atheism
Non-intelligence > Intelligence
Christianity
Super intelligence > intelligence
So... following this logic, one needs also
Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
But then, too
Mega intelligence > Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
Which, by inference, leads to the dreaded infinite regress problem.
Why do you need an infinite regress?
A is self-sufficient. You can go to B without moving backwards.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 12, 2019 at 2:06 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2019 at 2:57 pm by CDF47.)
(January 12, 2019 at 8:10 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (January 12, 2019 at 7:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: In the beginning, Yahweh created the heavens and the earth. From there a creation account is given which I believe in OEC day-age interpretation.
Not really an account though is it.
It just says god did some stuff but does not say how or why just that he did some unlikely things.
Oh and who was writing this shit down?
It doesn't give any provenance to the writing or how they knew the stuff it just goes straight into it and all of it contradicts what is actually known about how the universe operates. So forgive me if I find it silly.
(January 12, 2019 at 7:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: Also, the prophecies in the Bible came true. Look at the Book of Daniel for instance with all the prophecy that came true.
Except they didn't. The argument is that the prophesies that "came true" were written after the events and all the ones that were supposed to happen later, didn't.
People like to change history to validate now. Look at Trump and the wall for someone trying to change the past to match the present.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/chri...aniel.html
Quote:Whenever critical scholars point out that Daniel's purported predictions were written after the fact, Christian believers routinely retort that they are merely showing a philosophical prejudice against the possibility of supernatural prophecy. Actually, it is not a question of philosophical presuppositions, but a question of hard evidence and inference to the best explanation. Daniel's "predictions" of events up to the desecration of the Temple in 167 BC and the beginning of the Maccabean revolt substantially came true--yet its predictions of a new invasion of Egypt by Antiochus and the Resurrection of the Dead soon thereafter totally failed. The author correctly "predicted" the rise of Alexander the Great, and the history of the Seleucid and Ptolemaic kings, but he fared far worse in his predictions that God would supernaturally slay Antiochus Epiphanes, raise the dead, and inaugurate the messianic age in 163 BC. The most likely explanation of this strange pattern is that these prophecies were first composed just before the time they started to fail by an author who had no genuine talent for predicting the future.
To cite a parallel example, the Book of Mormon prophets, who purportedly flourished between 600 BC and 400 AD, supposedly gave explicit predictions about Jesus Christ's career in first-century Palestine (Helaman 14 et passim), Christopher Columbus' discovery of America (1 Nephi 13:10-12), the Revolutionary War (1 Nephi 13:15-19), and Joseph Smith's prophetic career in nineteenth-century America (2 Nephi 3). However, the book is totally silent about events after 1830, the year the book was first printed. The most likely explanation is that the book was Smith's own composition, and a heavy burden of proof lies on Mormon apologists to prove otherwise. And the exact same reasoning applies to the prophecies of Daniel.
Moses wrote Genesis as inspired by God.
Daniel is a Book of inspiration from God and the future is foretold in detail with total accuracy. The Mormon book was not inspired by anyone but Freemason Joseph Smith.
(January 12, 2019 at 8:12 am)Thoreauvian Wrote: (January 12, 2019 at 8:08 am)CDF47 Wrote: Evolution is part of the implementation of the design to an extent (there is some change over time).
Yes, there is. And scientists have found that the code which pairs signs with meanings continued to develop over time, at least early on.
I'm nothing like an expert on this subject, so if you want to delve into it at any depth, I recommend you look up biosemiotics or Howard Pattee.
I will have to look that up.
(January 12, 2019 at 8:41 am)LastPoet Wrote: None of the defenders of ID ever produce evidence for their claims. All they have is arguments from their own increduloty and ignorance.
On the other hand they oh so easily believe a magic thinguie created them. I believe it makes them feel special, chosen by a deity that is nothing but their own superego.
A Creator created them as scientific evidence points out.
(January 12, 2019 at 9:52 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Quote:Order of this magnitude could not have come about by random anything.
What "order of magnitude" exactly are you talking about ?
Provide a grading system for the orders of magnitude you are talking about.
Oh wait. You don't have one.
You have been asked time and again to provide examples of lower magnitude that don't require a designer.
As has been explained to you, also time and again, the process was not "random".
Things are either designed or not. Either a Creator created them or it's a random event. Natural processes are just that. Un-directed processes.
(January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Atheism - Intelligence evolved from non-intelligence
Christianity - Fluid intelligence was created by a Source of super intelligence
Atheism
Non-intelligence > Intelligence
Christianity
Super intelligence > intelligence
That's right.
(January 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (January 12, 2019 at 11:29 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Atheism - Intelligence evolved from non-intelligence
Christianity - Fluid intelligence was created by a Source of super intelligence
Atheism
Non-intelligence > Intelligence
Christianity
Super intelligence > intelligence
So... following this logic, one needs also
Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
But then, too
Mega intelligence > Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
Which, by inference, leads to the dreaded infinite regress problem.
Not when you have one primordial supreme super intelligence as the Bible claims.
(January 12, 2019 at 1:08 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (January 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm)pocaracas Wrote: So... following this logic, one needs also
Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
But then, too
Mega intelligence > Hyper intelligence > Super intelligence > intelligence
Which, by inference, leads to the dreaded infinite regress problem.
Why do you need an infinite regress?
A is self-sufficient. You can go to B without moving backwards.
Exactly, there is no infinite regress problem with a supreme being outside the boundaries of this universe.
Your own scientist Dr. Kaku believes in a Creator.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/bar...evidence-0
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