It seems Saudi Arabia is facing an exodus of all their women:

Quote:Saudi Arabian women threaten to flee country en masse if they are not given basic rights

A growing wave of Saudi Arabian women are threatening to flee the country if the government doesn’t pursue measures to end a male guardianship system that bars women from doing basic activities, including traveling or going to the doctor, without the permission of men.

On social media, women posted using an Arabic language hashtag that roughly translates to: “remove the guardianship system or we’ll all migrate,”

In another post, a doctor spoke out about her shame of being treated as a child by men despite the fact that she often made life and death decisions for her patients.

“We have been attacked, jailed, tortured, and shamed,” wrote another woman using the now viral hashtag. “But with every passing day we grow stronger, braver, and smarter.”

https://womenintheworld.com/2019/01/11/s...ic-rights/

(January 15, 2019 at 4:36 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: It seems Saudi Arabia is facing an exodus of all their women:

Quote:Saudi Arabian women threaten to flee country en masse if they are not given basic rights

A growing wave of Saudi Arabian women are threatening to flee the country if the government doesn’t pursue measures to end a male guardianship system that bars women from doing basic activities, including traveling or going to the doctor, without the permission of men.

On social media, women posted using an Arabic language hashtag that roughly translates to: “remove the guardianship system or we’ll all migrate,”

In another post, a doctor spoke out about her shame of being treated as a child by men despite the fact that she often made life and death decisions for her patients.

“We have been attacked, jailed, tortured, and shamed,” wrote another woman using the now viral hashtag. “But with every passing day we grow stronger, braver, and smarter.”

https://womenintheworld.com/2019/01/11/s...ic-rights/

The country is a hellhole for everybody, but this shaming, torture and abuse was going for decades and decades in Saudi Arabia.

The disgusting kingdom always treated its women like properties. Don't believe MBS or current royals when they claim to be "women liberators" now, they are only doing so because to escape the fall that stomped their kingdom. They are buying the silence of the world.

(January 16, 2019 at 10:54 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The disgusting kingdom always treated its women like properties. Don't believe MBS or current royals when they claim to be "women liberators" now, they are only doing so because to escape the fall that stomped their kingdom. They are buying the silence of the world.

As if in other Muslim countries is much better for women

I cant play chess to save my life, but If I got lucky and beat a female Muslim in chess, would that mean I beat her?

(January 19, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(January 16, 2019 at 10:54 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The disgusting kingdom always treated its women like properties. Don't believe MBS or current royals when they claim to be "women liberators" now, they are only doing so because to escape the fall that stomped their kingdom. They are buying the silence of the world.

As if in other Muslim countries is much better for women

Nothing is like the Wahhabi Saudi religious institution; let's ignore the Saudi money payed to PR companies around the world to make the image of the kingdom look better.

Women suffer the worst of fates -with your own admission- if they demand for freedom in Saudi Arabia. An example for that is "Loujain al-Hathloul", who is a female Saudi activist being tortured in prison right now just for demanding the right of driving to Saudi women:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...77696.html

Please give me the name of a Muslim country that is as brutal; torturing women in cells for demanding to drive.

Are you defending the Sauds? because I'm talking about them; I'm not talking about anybody else. Or you misread my last reply.

The Sauds are a special case of filth. No other Muslims are like them, and when you see traits of them in other Muslims, chase the bribes and the money between the two. The Sauds live through bribes, they even bribed Trump.

So what was your point; exactly ?

(January 19, 2019 at 3:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 19, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: As if in other Muslim countries is much better for women

Nothing is like the Wahhabi Saudi religious institution; let's ignore the Saudi money payed to PR companies around the world to make the image of the kingdom look better.

Women suffer the worst of fates -with your own admission- if they demand for freedom in Saudi Arabia. An example for that is "Loujain al-Hathloul", who is a female Saudi activist being tortured in prison right now just for demanding the right of driving to Saudi women:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...77696.html

Please give me the name of a Muslim country that is as brutal; torturing women in cells for demanding to drive.

Are you defending the Sauds? because I'm talking about them; I'm not talking about anybody else. Or you misread my last reply.

The Sauds are a special case of filth. No other Muslims are like them, and when you see traits of them in other Muslims, chase the bribes and the money between the two. The Sauds live through bribes, they even bribed Trump.

So what was your point; exactly ?

Atlass, I can agree with your objection to the tyranny ruling over you. I don't like your rulers any more than you do. But again, lets say America says, "Lets invade Saudi Arabia".  Problem is you live there, and could end up an innocent death.

I don't want you dead. In fact, the fact that you risk your safety posting on this website knowing if you got discovered could end you up in prison or dead.

I want the same for my fellow humans who live in oppressive states, not just Saudi Arabia, but Iran and North Korea too. I want them to live in a free society where they can object to their rulers, and remove them through systems of checks and balances when that ruler overreaches their power.

But, unfortunately in reality, and especially in the age of nukes, considering both friend and foe have them, it isn't as simple as invasion or toppling a government just because you don't like them.

Again, I also don't like Iran's rulers and I don't like Bibi either, just like I hate Trump. 

I can't begin to imagine what you dodge every day as far as fearing detection. I am sure it is on par as Ann Frank being detected by Nazis. All I want you to know is, that not everyone in the west ascribes to our right wing bigots. 

It still for me ultimately amounts to all 7 billion humans are the same species. 

If you really want out of there there are human rights organizations like Amnesty International that could help you.

(January 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 19, 2019 at 3:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Nothing is like the Wahhabi Saudi religious institution; let's ignore the Saudi money payed to PR companies around the world to make the image of the kingdom look better.

Women suffer the worst of fates -with your own admission- if they demand for freedom in Saudi Arabia. An example for that is "Loujain al-Hathloul", who is a female Saudi activist being tortured in prison right now just for demanding the right of driving to Saudi women:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...77696.html

Please give me the name of a Muslim country that is as brutal; torturing women in cells for demanding to drive.

Are you defending the Sauds? because I'm talking about them; I'm not talking about anybody else. Or you misread my last reply.

The Sauds are a special case of filth. No other Muslims are like them, and when you see traits of them in other Muslims, chase the bribes and the money between the two. The Sauds live through bribes, they even bribed Trump.

So what was your point; exactly ?

Atlass, I can agree with your objection to the tyranny ruling over you. I don't like your rulers any more than you do. But again, lets say America says, "Lets invade Saudi Arabia".  Problem is you live there, and could end up an innocent death.

I don't want you dead. In fact, the fact that you risk your safety posting on this website knowing if you got discovered could end you up in prison or dead.

I want the same for my fellow humans who live in oppressive states, not just Saudi Arabia, but Iran and North Korea too. I want them to live in a free society where they can object to their rulers, and remove them through systems of checks and balances when that ruler overreaches their power.

But, unfortunately in reality, and especially in the age of nukes, considering both friend and foe have them, it isn't as simple as invasion or toppling a government just because you don't like them.

Again, I also don't like Iran's rulers and I don't like Bibi either, just like I hate Trump. 

I can't begin to imagine what you dodge every day as far as fearing detection. I am sure it is on par as Ann Frank being detected by Nazis. All I want you to know is, that not everyone in the west ascribes to our right wing bigots. 

It still for me ultimately amounts to all 7 billion humans are the same species. 

If you really want out of there there are human rights organizations like Amnesty International that could help you.

The change must come from the inside of the Arabian Peninsula -AKA Saudi Arabia-; the voices against the Sauds are multiplying in number, but the brutality of the Sauds under MBS increased too; now we finally reached the point where speaking against the government can get you -and get your family with you- into a long torturing journey that would end in death.

MBS doesn't want to back down. I don't want to be invaded, Brian, but why is MBS still a free man? that's what I always ask.

I don't have any plan to escape this place. I tried New Zealand then Canada, both didn't have official places to contact in cases like mine, I wouldn't bet on Amnesty but I will try. Contacting somebody about this is very hard when you're alone with a computer only, I would appreciate any help you can give, Brian.

(January 19, 2019 at 4:20 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atlass, I can agree with your objection to the tyranny ruling over you. I don't like your rulers any more than you do. But again, lets say America says, "Lets invade Saudi Arabia".  Problem is you live there, and could end up an innocent death.

I don't want you dead. In fact, the fact that you risk your safety posting on this website knowing if you got discovered could end you up in prison or dead.

I want the same for my fellow humans who live in oppressive states, not just Saudi Arabia, but Iran and North Korea too. I want them to live in a free society where they can object to their rulers, and remove them through systems of checks and balances when that ruler overreaches their power.

But, unfortunately in reality, and especially in the age of nukes, considering both friend and foe have them, it isn't as simple as invasion or toppling a government just because you don't like them.

Again, I also don't like Iran's rulers and I don't like Bibi either, just like I hate Trump. 

I can't begin to imagine what you dodge every day as far as fearing detection. I am sure it is on par as Ann Frank being detected by Nazis. All I want you to know is, that not everyone in the west ascribes to our right wing bigots. 

It still for me ultimately amounts to all 7 billion humans are the same species. 

If you really want out of there there are human rights organizations like Amnesty International that could help you.

The change must come from the inside of the Arabian Peninsula -AKA Saudi Arabia-; the voices against the Sauds are multiplying in number, but the brutality of the Sauds under MBS increased too; now we finally reached the point where speaking against the government can get you -and get your family with you- into a long torturing journey that would end in death.

MBS doesn't want to back down. I don't want to be invaded, Brian, but why is MBS still a free man? that's what I always ask.

I don't have any plan to escape this place. I tried New Zealand then Canada, both didn't have official places to contact in cases like mine, I wouldn't bet on Amnesty but I will try. Contacting somebody about this is very hard when you're alone with a computer only, I would appreciate any help you can give, Brian.

Why is Trump president? Why is Bibi whom is an corrupt asshole PM of Israel? Why is Iran lead by a bunch of dicks? Why is Kim Jong Un leader of North Korea?

Because unfortunately humans can be manipulated, and once the powers that manipulate them get power, it is harder to remove them.

(January 19, 2019 at 4:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 19, 2019 at 4:20 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The change must come from the inside of the Arabian Peninsula -AKA Saudi Arabia-; the voices against the Sauds are multiplying in number, but the brutality of the Sauds under MBS increased too; now we finally reached the point where speaking against the government can get you -and get your family with you- into a long torturing journey that would end in death.

MBS doesn't want to back down. I don't want to be invaded, Brian, but why is MBS still a free man? that's what I always ask.

I don't have any plan to escape this place. I tried New Zealand then Canada, both didn't have official places to contact in cases like mine, I wouldn't bet on Amnesty but I will try. Contacting somebody about this is very hard when you're alone with a computer only, I would appreciate any help you can give, Brian.

Why is Trump president? Why is Bibi whom is an corrupt asshole PM of Israel? Why is Iran lead by a bunch of dicks? Why is Kim Jong Un leader of North Korea?

Because unfortunately humans can be manipulated, and once the powers that manipulate them get power, it is harder to remove them.

The world is built and constructed on a weak system, criminals rule and their influence grow, take Putin, to Trump, passing by the rightist mobs in Europe down to Saudi Arabia. Let's not forget Africa that is almost forgotten now.

MBS is gaining ground because he has support from sides in the already corrupt world.
Korea's Kim is the same.

There's a group of multi-cultural assholes supporting each other to satisfy eathothers' interests. And most deals they make are with a very, very painful consequences on a large portion of the people.

(January 19, 2019 at 5:01 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 19, 2019 at 4:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Why is Trump president? Why is Bibi whom is an corrupt asshole PM of Israel? Why is Iran lead by a bunch of dicks? Why is Kim Jong Un leader of North Korea?

Because unfortunately humans can be manipulated, and once the powers that manipulate them get power, it is harder to remove them.

The world is built and constructed on a weak system, criminals rule and their influence grow, take Putin, to Trump, passing by the rightist mobs in Europe down to Saudi Arabia. Let's not forget Africa that is almost forgotten now.

MBS is gaining ground because he has support from sides in the already corrupt world.
Korea's Kim is the same.

There's a group of multi-cultural assholes supporting each other to satisfy eathothers' interests. And most deals they make are with a very, very painful consequences on a large portion of the people.

Instead of thinking in religious terms, which is where most people think their morality is magically handed down to them, think in natural terms.

If you would rightfully agree that many Christians and Jews see you as the enemy, and unfortunately they do, what makes more sense to you? Are they basing that on the fact that you are Charles Manson or Ted Bundy? Or are they basing that on the fact that they, like Muslims, are basing that on religion?

If you go out every day and rape and murder women, or children, like a serial killer, I'd hate you too. But, if you are not doing that, then all our species beefs really amount to tribalism.

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(January 19, 2019 at 4:20 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atlass, I can agree with your objection to the tyranny ruling over you. I don't like your rulers any more than you do. But again, lets say America says, "Lets invade Saudi Arabia".  Problem is you live there, and could end up an innocent death.

I don't want you dead. In fact, the fact that you risk your safety posting on this website knowing if you got discovered could end you up in prison or dead.

I want the same for my fellow humans who live in oppressive states, not just Saudi Arabia, but Iran and North Korea too. I want them to live in a free society where they can object to their rulers, and remove them through systems of checks and balances when that ruler overreaches their power.

But, unfortunately in reality, and especially in the age of nukes, considering both friend and foe have them, it isn't as simple as invasion or toppling a government just because you don't like them.

Again, I also don't like Iran's rulers and I don't like Bibi either, just like I hate Trump. 

I can't begin to imagine what you dodge every day as far as fearing detection. I am sure it is on par as Ann Frank being detected by Nazis. All I want you to know is, that not everyone in the west ascribes to our right wing bigots. 

It still for me ultimately amounts to all 7 billion humans are the same species. 

If you really want out of there there are human rights organizations like Amnesty International that could help you.

The change must come from the inside of the Arabian Peninsula -AKA Saudi Arabia-; the voices against the Sauds are multiplying in number, but the brutality of the Sauds under MBS increased too; now we finally reached the point where speaking against the government can get you -and get your family with you- into a long torturing journey that would end in death.

MBS doesn't want to back down. I don't want to be invaded, Brian, but why is MBS still a free man? that's what I always ask.

I don't have any plan to escape this place. Ihttps://exmuslims.org/ tried New Zealand then Canada, both didn't have official places to contact in cases like mine, I wouldn't bet on Amnesty but I will try. Contacting somebody about this is very hard when you're alone with a computer only, I would appreciate any help you can give, Brian.

Why isn't Trump in prison? Why isn't Kim Jong Un in prison?

Power unfortunately.

https://donate.amnestyusa.org/page/26346...gIs4_D_BwE


https://exmuslims.org/

https://twitter.com/ayaan?lang=en

https://twitter.com/cemb_forum?lang=en



Those orgs will not care if you are still Muslim, but if you contact them, the have far more power/resources than I do and are more likely to be able to help you.

And it cant hurt to tell your story to any other media in the west, like CNN or MSNBC. You got our attention here, but this isn't a powerful website as far as money and power.

Just keep plugging to anyone and everyone in the west you can think of.