(January 27, 2019 at 3:42 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Perhaps we need to redefine theism as a lack of understanding of science.

Atheists lack belief
Theists lack understanding

I think it is the atheists that lack understanding in a number of areas despite proof before their eyes.

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(January 27, 2019 at 4:44 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Please explain how inanimate matter turns to a living system.

If I explain this to you, but provide no references at all for it.... will you accept it and retract all these 1000+ pages of nonsense?

No, because ultimately there is complex and functional information inside DNA so a Creator is proven.

(January 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Simple things do not lead to an extremely complex and functional system like DNA.  A Creator devised the code.

Simple things do indeed lead to extremely complex and functional systems like DNA, no creator needed.

(January 27, 2019 at 4:49 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Simple things do not lead to an extremely complex and functional system like DNA.  A Creator devised the code.

Simple things do indeed lead to extremely complex and functional systems like DNA, no creator needed.

^^^^^ BINGO!

Simplicity arising to complexity does not need a super cognition at all.

Even in things like the lottery, you have simple numbers but when combined lead to countless combinations.

DNA is no different. 4 acid molecules are simple, but when they shuffle, like a deck of cards, can create countless hands in countless poker games.

The argument from "complexity" is really nothing more than falling for the "pretty" and "good" in life and missing the other complex things that are destructive, like cancer, and ecoli, and bacteria and cockroaches and volcanos.

(January 27, 2019 at 4:44 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:44 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Please explain how inanimate matter turns to a living system.

If I explain this to you, but provide no references at all for it.... will you accept it and retract all these 1000+ pages of nonsense?

No, because ultimately there is complex and functional information inside DNA so a Creator is proven.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is why this thread has reached this length.





or, the TLDR version:




So tell me, CDF, why should anyone bother explaining you anything?

To be fair poca, you have to have a mind in order for it to be changed. 

(January 27, 2019 at 4:06 pm)no one Wrote: It's not just the lack of understanding, but to vehemently reject that understanding. It's safer to remain in the dark than to let any light through that might disturb that sheltered little bubble hide away in.

I detect the same vehement rejection of understanding amongst many who are not theists. They still cling to comfortable assumptions for no reason other that unwillingness to part with and inconsequential comfort that in reality stands in the way of productive understanding.

If a god controls every aspect of nature, then those aspects we have observed as natural forces of nature are really god controlling everything ?

In your mind CD, god = all the natural forces acting upon matter & energy.

This is simple anthropomorphism.

It's the same as believing that a tree must have a tree spirit in order for it to grow and move.

This is you not believing that nature exists.

A glass falls off a table.
In your mind god moved the glass off the table.
Moved it downwards to the floor.
Broke the glass in several pieces.
Created the sound of the glass breaking.
Moved the pieces to various parts of the floor.

All intentional.
Let's not forget about the earthquake that god also caused.

So is the earthquake the reason why the glass fell off the table or are they unrelated events ?

I ask this because I really enjoy baseball.
When the bat strikes the ball, is kinetic energy transferred to the ball or does god move the ball away from the bat at exactly the moment the bat touches the ball making it appear as if energy was transferred ?

(January 27, 2019 at 4:49 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Simple things do not lead to an extremely complex and functional system like DNA.  A Creator devised the code.

Simple things do indeed lead to extremely complex and functional systems like DNA, no creator needed.

No, a Creator is needed for the information found.

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(January 27, 2019 at 5:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:49 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Simple things do indeed lead to extremely complex and functional systems like DNA, no creator needed.

^^^^^ BINGO!

Simplicity arising to complexity does not need a super cognition at all.

Even in things like the lottery, you have simple numbers but when combined lead to countless combinations.

DNA is no different. 4 acid molecules are simple, but when they shuffle, like a deck of cards, can create countless hands in countless poker games.

The argument from "complexity" is really nothing more than falling for the "pretty" and "good" in life and missing the other complex things that are destructive, like cancer, and ecoli, and bacteria and cockroaches and volcanos.

There is reason for the destructive things.

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(January 27, 2019 at 6:06 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:44 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, because ultimately there is complex and functional information inside DNA so a Creator is proven.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is why this thread has reached this length.





or, the TLDR version:




So tell me, CDF, why should anyone bother explaining you anything?

I am not a Young Earth Creationist which is what these articles are about.  I don't agree with them either on matters of science.

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(January 27, 2019 at 6:33 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: If a god controls every aspect of nature, then those aspects we have observed as natural forces of nature are really god controlling everything ?

In your mind CD, god = all the natural forces acting upon matter & energy.

This is simple anthropomorphism.

It's the same as believing that a tree must have a tree spirit in order for it to grow and move.

This is you not believing that nature exists.

A glass falls off a table.
In your mind god moved the glass off the table.
Moved it downwards to the floor.
Broke the glass in several pieces.
Created the sound of the glass breaking.
Moved the pieces to various parts of the floor.

All intentional.
Let's not forget about the earthquake that god also caused.

So is the earthquake the reason why the glass fell off the table or are they unrelated events ?

I ask this because I really enjoy baseball.
When the bat strikes the ball, is kinetic energy transferred to the ball or does god move the ball away from the bat at exactly the moment the bat touches the ball making it appear as if energy was transferred ?

God designed the processes we find in nature and He is all powerful is my point.  He can manipulate nature at His choosing.

Honestly 47, do you and hovind, hamm, and comfort, sit around your little magic god circle and smoke ehough meth till one of you as the courage to come here and spew this drivel?

CD - so god designed nature (meaning all the forces of nature) gravity, strong force, weak force, electromagnetic and he wound the clock of the universe up and let it go.

And

He also messes with it from time to time, because he's all powerful.

And

He had to create people because they can't happen naturally.

And

He'll send me to hell for eating shrimp while wearing garments of two different fabrics while I'm planting crops of two different types next to each other while I'm fucking a Mexican swim instructor named Jesus.

And

Somehow you KNOW all of this.

Or

You simply believe all of this without any evidence whatsoever.

From my skeptical point of view, it really sounds like you're just making all of this up.